Wtf they killed lil bird aww man..this town has went to hell

If the police has increased their precense from the last shooting then why Javar get killed? They shoulda been out. Things are always happening n Grey, Hovland, Brown, etc. If they wasn't so worried bout traffic tickets then maybe they could prevent murders

How can you blame this mess on the police?! If these young men weren't SHOOTING at one another then no one would have been killed!! We need to start taking responsibility for our own actions and TAKE OUR COMMUNITY BACK from those who don't appreciate it! Stop killing each other and remember that life has value, even if you don't like a person. I'm just sick behind all of this madness. I grew up on Grey and still live in the area. We can do better... We always have done better.

This BS goes way back, so how can u say its been better? The town has had guns n violence for centuries. Country ppl with nothing better to do but act like they back in the south. Then kids get from their parents didn't u read LONG TIME FAMILY FEUD

An innocent bystander (or more) will be shot and killed if these "feuding families" don't stop. Feuding families? Is that what the elders of these families want? To have their family members shot and killed? STOP.

...since these families are trouble, can't the city force them to move? make them pack up and take their trouble elsewhere. we don't need to tolerarte them. let them know it. i'm sick of this b.s.

Does anybody know his moms name?

Nothing good happens in an alley @2a.m.. I suspect that we'll soon hear that the victim was just getting his life turned around (with help from his older brother?). This is NOT going to end folks. Get used to it. It's a cultural thing and not something that the police can change.

Just goes to show you it's never too late for an abortion.

Think of someone you know right now who is having trouble at home. Go there! Get involved! Help the family look at options rather than fuel the fire of ongoing violence. It starts small - maybe a slap or a harsh word, or a shove - and it escalates until the people involved believe violence is the only way to stop the violence. We need to simply show up where we know there is a need.
Go to your congregational leader if you need help. With support of a community , even if we disagree, we can still work to build up the city together; you and I can do this!!
Rev. Ann
Grey Ave.
Evanston

Rev Rosewall - Why would I want to show up somewhere that I could get shot? Am I going to sit in my car by the High School and run out between the bullets. What good would that do? This is obviously a family issue so that goes back to the FAMILY

I agree with a number of these comments...we can't expect the cops to be everywhere, every time. However, these neighbors who are choosing the thug life are putting the rest of us in danger. There are KIDS who live here...I pray to God that I don't see the day when one of the many children that live on Brown, Grey and Hovland, the ones who play freely in the park, on the streets and in the alleys, gets killed in crossfire over something stupid. Maybe the cops can start by enforcing the traffic laws in this area. The same people who race down these streets like they're training for NASCAR are the same people who don't give a s--- about the community. Maybe some routine traffic stops will catch the riffraff that don't care enough about the innocent bystanders to even slow down.

I wish they would if anything theses damn police need to move their asses into Evanston then maybe the town would better

I know bro he was young and in the middle of too much from years ago . It's sad that people start playing with guns a lot in the city . Yes city Evanston I said it

Until someone can sit down with the elder family members, there will NOT be any peace made!

Many, including concerned neighbor, advocate a stepped up police presence. A zero tolerance policy can be very effective as the Gulliani regime demonstrated in New York's Times Square. It must be mandated by the people however, and supported 100%. Are we willing to do that and not whine if one of our kids is arrested on a curfew violation? or just had a little bit of pot? or a weapons charge when "he didn't even know the gun was in the car"? Will rush to a lawsuit if we are "unlawfully detained" during the course of an investigation ?
Indeed there are tradeoffs and we must decide soon how we want this City to be.

Evanston's has a new method of change it is the new wave of let them lose their soul's. Don't stop it, let all this Sheet keep going on and then force them out. Degrade life, Property, Fath and Hope and all is lost. Look around you Yes the Law can do a better job but will they and if not then why?. If this was going on in North Evanston would it have lasted so long NO, but ask yourself why than act. God bless all familes involved and let us pray we can see the light before they have us all on the MIA list. Stop giving them what the want and make them gives us what we need.

Notice how each issue is neatly tied to the other adding fuel to the fire but all this time these feuds were known by EPD. Lets watch our words mind what we say and serve the Public first by stating only facts and divine truth. We see what you think and next time there is a shooting try not telling the world where the victim is that could be a problem. over 15 killed in the last ten years something to think about people.

Anon...yes. Stop and ticket, stop and frisk...arrest the high school kids who come before and after school to smoke weed in the play lot. Arrest the thugs hanging out on the block and in the alley. Arrest speeders, cell-phone-texting-while-driving folks, people who litter, tag, spit on the streets...round them up. Those of us who obey the law will be happy that they are inconvenienced. Arrest people, fingerprint them, and keep the records. My kids walk back and forth to school every day. My family enjoys walks and bike rides in our neighborhood. I am a mother lion, and I will advocate for WHATEVER it takes to make this ward a safer place. Profile everyone. If you train your kids up right, you should let them take their licks and not try to get them out of things. I am pretty sure that neither one of my kids will end up in the back of a police car, but if they did, they would deserve an a** whooping and whatever other legal consequences. If the thugs that are committing this senseless violence have no self-control and no respect for human life, then control them from the outside.

If these scamps would just put down their blunderbusses and dueling pieces and partake in gentlemanly fisticuffs, perhaps this kerfufflery wouldn't lead to another filled plot on old Boot Hill.

Why, back in my day, when Skokie and Evanston were segregated into Hebrew, Roman, and even Orange Dutchmen neighboring-hoods, packs of imps from each quarter would protect their stoops with fists, hobnail boots, and even their fathers' emptied spirit casks from the night before.

If Frenchy duBois or Morty Goldfarb set their sights on my shoe-shine penny or the onion I proudly carried in my lunchpail, they had far more to fear from my old One-Two than they did a copper ball from the Derringer my mother kept behind the chamberpot, I'll tell you!

The modernday Hatfield and McCoy feud is happening in Evanston and everyone knows the families involved. The police cannot end this, only arrest people once the violence has been done. The prevention comes at the family level. Get the elders in a room and have agreements that the violence has ended with three funerals and one critically injured. Let the families grieve and try to move on, but warn the young ones that if this isn't squashed, they will live the rest of their lives looking behind them and many of them will end up dead or in jail. When will it all end. None of them deserve to die but many of them are finding the evil they perpetrated on others. The young man in critical condition has been terrorizing the hood since he was 15 and his reign of terror is rightfully ending.

What scares and angers me most is the Evanston police blog soooo much, yet not saying anything! They post a new sentence to the same story daily, yet have made no arrest. If they lead the public to believe they are actually working, with these SAME OLD STORIES, then they THINK they have us appeased; at least, unfortunately, until the next time. STEP UP Evanston police, stay out the donut shops and let's get this job done!

They can't make arrests without probable cause, and clearly witnesses aren't willing to cooperate. Do some browsing on twitter and you'll see a bunch of idiots threatening "opps" (police/cooperators) and instigating more violence.
What do you want police to do, arrest anyone affiliated with these families? Unfortunately there's a thing called the Fourth Amendment that doesn't allow that.

Anon: haven't affected "civilians" YET. No one can control where a bullet goes. The bullets from this morning were a mere 30 feet from where my children lay sleeping. What is "brutal" about arresting or ticketing people who are breaking LAWS that we already have in place????? Maybe it will send a strong message: don't break the law. And if someone is breaking the law and they are stopped by a cop, maybe there will be probably cause to look and search to see if other laws are being broken--like a gun hidden in a waistband, or an ounce of weed, or DUI, or whatever. Maybe giving people consequences for their actions will make them think about their actions. If not, maybe being "harrassed" for breaking the law will motivate their whining gansta selves to move out of the community. Good riddance.

Boy do these Evanston black gangsters ever make Tony Soprano and his crew look like altar boys, At least Tony Soprano was "make believe". You just have to respect an idiot with a gun and the stupidity required to recklessly kill other humans. Yeah, now we all respect you. Got to love the Evanston "diverisity" eh?

Skokie is right behind you. We are working hard on getting our diversity right up there with you !! And we certainly respect black youths with guns. We ain't no racists here in Skokie. Ever miss Cabrini and the Robert Taylor Homes? Ahhh but for the "good old days" before "Open Communities". Open for what?

Yes, anon, I agree. People complain when the police are "heavy handed", but they have fits when stuff like this breaks out and say, "where were the police?"
And then you have those good folks who moved to Evanston for the "diversity" who are right there with the folks protesting the "heavy handed" police who then run screaming with their children to Wilmette or Glencoe because of the violence around ETHS. What does that do for our community?

Parents in Wilmette, Winnetka, Kenilworth, Glencoe and even Highland Park, are "afraid" to send their kids to Evanston, to take part in sports, or anything else. And can anyone really blame them?
Feuding families? the police should start arresting them for "everything". The criminal family members won't like it, and maybe a few will end up in jail, where they can't hurt anyone.
Put street lights on Brown, Grey, Hovland, and any other trouble spots that are so bright, it looks like daylight out at 2am.

Men..........Man Up and mentor your Sons,daughters . "No one....or community just goes bad overnight . It takes years. Take this thought and think......what are You doing that as "Value" to your families life to make a positive change? We are all responsible or we all can become victims......... Floyd Freeman

Annie-
The lights are a great idea but they'll just move. This thug crap is moving into Skokie as well. I can't wait to move. I thinks it's easier than waiting for change. A lot of people feel that way and it's really too bad. LIfe is short and we all want to be safe.

Yea this shit crazy and has gon too far. These people know what they shooting for and who they shooting at. Half of u hiding behind this website talking shit/suggesting shit,will not take the initiave to do a damn thing. You the people of evanston want so much shit done but wont take the first step for change

Well instead of looking down on these young men. You should encourage and esteem them. They need to know their lives have value too. I mean i definetly understand the anger of everyone. Im from evanston and i also was in the game too. Ive been gone from the ''hood'' 3yrs now to only find out that the same thing is going on as it did in the past. I mean to answer your question,im not sure what you should do but degrading them and the situation wont get it. Maybe more recreational activities for more than just the youth. Activities for the young adults as well as the youth. I can come up w/so much but it wont work unless the community of Evanston work together and most of all take the initiative.

C'mon, these kids grew up in EVANSTON. even if they grew up in a "rough neighborhood" in evanston, they had excellent programs and resources to turn to all around if they were interested. There is something at ETHS for EVERYONE, including free tutoring in any subject if you are interested. Clubs, sports, you name it. And you don't have to be rich to participate, ETHS provides many ways for people to get the right sports equipment, etc, for people that need it. The grammar schools and junior highs...all of them have some good teachers, opportunities to be mentored and build relationships. And look at all the churches in Evanston. Practically one on every block. My family has gone through some hard times with this economy, but we have been blessed to have had help when times were the worst, and my kids have never been turned away from a school activity or a program just because we didn't have money. Sure, you have to be a little resourceful, but people do reach out. And people are more than willing to meet someone halfway if they want to organize stuff to keep kids off the streets. If you're on the streets because you have "nothing better to do", then you're on them, in Evanston, by choice.

All you commenters, are just sitting on the net giving your opinions to the problem instead of organizing a rally. Some of you are indirectly pointing fingers at black people who live in Evanston, while others are directly pointing their fingers at police. Police know the problem and at the end of the day they want to go home to their families and don't care about Evanston's issues. The so-called alderman, community board members, school board members, and all the other "high-profile" losers are corrupt and get a kick out of you people on this site. Get on the street, everyone's off on Sat. and Sun., no excuses, protest the governing body who's supposed to protect you as citizens. What are guns doing on the streets in the first place? What is the alderman or alderwoman's job if they can't protect innocent civilians? They will listen when Evanston makes headlines or their paycheck is short a day or two, because of massive protesting shut down Evanston.

Well, when is the rally this time? I've been to a few over the past years. They were very effective (not), but I am always willing to show up even if my presence will do no good.

These problems do occur in a vacuum and they develop over a long time and will not be solved quickly. Almost every cultural image in the media, entertainment and even games is violent and has been for 50 years. Moral education is kaput in schools and homes. Religion is under attack. The voters keep electing the same weak-kneed idiots and do not connect the dots as to why their own lives are getting dicey and dangerous and the social fabric frays. The concept of Evanston as a leafy diverse paradise is unrealistic and counterproductive as it does not reflect reality. Evanston is 80,000. There are millions living in gated, guarded communities because they know that our culture is problematic from a security point of view and is unlikely to change soon. In addition our proximity to Chicago adds to the problem. There were 40,000 burglaries in Chicago last year which is one for each 90 people. Some of that will spill over along with other crimes. All of that said, it is always a small number of people who cause the majority of problems. The vast majority of blacks in Evanston are hard working, decent family oriented people who are as concerned as whites. They have as much interest in the community as anyone.

at the end of the day there is not anything much the community can do. Until the involved families call it a truce and decide to leave this foolishness alone, nothing will change. The police can not do anything until a CRIME IS COMMITTED AND THEY HAVE EVIDENCE TO ARREST SOMEONE. Stop blaming the police and community for punks who wanna use guns and sneak up on people and kill them. This is beyond stupidity. The community is holding rallies, marches, gun back back, what more can we really do? For christ sake, after DAEDAE the community came together in a big way to make changes. This is evanston. Everyone grew up together and knows everyone. This must stop!

Can the above comment be removed already? Foolishness!

Tiffany and JC, we've removed the comment you're referring to. We actually don't review comments before they go live. We try to keep an eye on things, but if you see something inappropriate, you can always reach out to me at evanston@patch.com.

Absolutely. Thanks for letting me know, Tiffany.

The parents of Javar has not got any answers from the police dept. as of Jan 23, 2013 They wasn't notify until 6 hours later that their son was shot and killed. Keep in mind Javar & his family lives less than a block away from the crime scene. I ask EPD why was THIS family not notify in a timely manner EPD is covering up something and we as a community should be asking more question on these murders.

as usual, blame it on the police department. did you ever think maybe this kid didn't have an id on him? .

@Festus he was identified on the scene and he didn't have any I'd on him. Do you have an answer for that? So like I said before, why was this family NOT notify until 6hrs later?