Readers Disagree with Cardinal George's Stance on Same-Sex Marriage
Many readers say marriage is not strictly a religious institution and there should be a separation of church and state.
In his letter, George urged Catholics to voice their objections, arguing that because same-sex marriages cannot be consummated and are not undertaken for the purpose of conceiving children that government, "has no power to create something that nature itself tells us is impossible."
Many readers agreed with the Cardinal commenting that same sex relations are against nature.
“Same sex marriage is awfully odd and against common sense and natural order of life,” Patch reader John Godson wrote. “This same sex stunt is unsustainable because of its crudely raw and animalistic instincts.”
Harry Gio wrote: “The Cardinal George is 100% right... Same sex marriage is without a doubt AGAINST the common good... I don't care what the gays do between one another, but their "Ways of Life" should most certainly NOT be honored or praised.”
Patch reader Tony S disagreed writing, “The ‘against nature’ argument is simply invalid. Homosexuality has been documented in over 2,500 animal species. It would appear that homosexuality is rather common. Also, the fact that our planet is becoming overpopulated is completely unsustainable. Homosexuality is one of the most sustainable population control measures ever.”
Definition of Marriage
Some readers say the church is not against homosexuality but that marriage is defined as between a man and a woman.
“I am not against legal union where gay people in a committed relationship have the same legal rights. I do however agree with the Church. That marriage is NOT to be redefined,” Patch reader Matt wrote. “The Church loves gay people as much as hetero people.”
Other readers, however, disagreed.
“If the state of marriage was strictly a religious signification Cardinal George would have a very valid argument. But it's NOT just a spiritual issue,” Patch reader Jennifer Wilson wrote. “Upon marriage, I get a better tax deal. I have immediate rights to inheritance. My spouse is automatically my next of kin. My husband can make revisions for me if I am not able to without question ... We use marriage as a legal status in this country and religion should not affect that legal status.”
Church and State
Wilson also wrote a blog post sharing why her family would not be attending Mass over the weekend. Wilson says religion has no place in politics.
“You, Cardinal George, do not get to tell me how to vote. You, Cardinal George, do not get to dictate which citizens in the state of Illinois enjoy the civil benefits and responsibilities of marriage. You get to refuse people the sacrament of marriage, but not the civil right to it. Kindly respect the separation of Church and State,” Wilson wrote.
llwvrt echoed Wilson’s sentiment for the separation of church and state, writing, “The cardinal can say whatever he wants but the common good promotes stability and happiness. I have no problem with gay marriage.”
“As the leader of Chicago Catholics, Cardinal George has a duty to tell his followers what being a good Catholic means. But that is not what he's doing,” Patch reader IMHO wrote. What he's doing is instructing Catholics to pressure legislators, and pressuring them himself, joined by like-minded clerics, to craft laws that force non-Catholics to follow Catholic doctrine. That makes it everybody’s business. It is the right (duty?) of non-Catholics to resist religious notions being imposed on Illinoisans through law.”
Patch reader Procrustes' Foil says if religious institutions want to get involved in politics, they should pay the price.
“In order to keep their tax-exempt status, religions are supposed to refrain from involvement in politics and legislation,” Procrustes’ Foil wrote. “Sounds like there are several religions that should start paying taxes!”
Essence of Marriage
Other readers were also outraged that George equated the essence of marriage to procreating.
“His stance is basically that there should also be a fertility test before a straight couple can get married,” RB wrote. “If they are unable to bear children, they can't get married. Adoption? His position does not consider that either.”
“Oh heavenly father, Cardinal George, numerous opposite sex couples cannot conceive also, should their marriages be extinguished?” Patch reader Lou wrote.
If Illinois passes a same-sex marriage bill, it could become the 10th state in the country to allow such marriages. The legislation passed the Senate Executive Committee Thursday, sending it to the full Senate, but it’s unclear when a vote would take place there, the New York Times reported.
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Oliver P. McCracken
9:43 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
I find it perplexing that the good cardinal George seems so concerned about protecting children from finding loving parents and homes because of the parents' sexual preference, yet he has not only never seemed concerned about protecting children from the evil claws of his pederast priests, he, along with many others in power, have ignored such vile behavior, protected its perpetrators, and even denied that it has happened.
And looking at the photo-graph of the cardinal above, I find that his wretched, Nosferatu-esque visage alone would make him no friend of innocent children. What a ghoul, indeed!
Troy
2:54 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
I'm not averse to a civil union for gay couples (it's already the law in Illinois), but I see no justification for calling it a marriage.
Oliver P. McCracken
3:26 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
This reminds me of many people's thinking after the Civil War. They weren't averse to blacks not being slaves (since it was the law), but they still saw no justification for treating them as actual human beings.
Same line of thought. Different century.
kevin
6:25 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Oliver uses the same old argument like it has any meaning in the current issue. As far as I see it, it has nothing to do with each other.
As for the moron who said it was forcing Catholic doctrine, The Bible, Torah and Koran all speak out against homosexuality. Funny that its those damn Catholics who are TOTALLY against it.
Go tell a gay person in a hardline Islamic country how bad it is to be a gay person here.
Gay American, you know , its so hard to be gay in America, they wont allow our unions to be called marriage. OMG can you believe it, its so terrible!?!?!?!?!
Gay Iranian, I have to hide who I am because if the government finds out I'm gay, ill be hung.
Gay American, That sucks, but doesn't it suck our unions cant be called Marriage?
Gay Iranian, Moron
Kudos to the cardinal for stating what he believes and not hiding behind a screen name.
Oliver P. McCracken
8:02 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Alas, Kevin, you have proven my point. We Americans do NOT reside in Islamist Persia, where religion dictates its residents' behavior. We reside in this fair Republic where ALL have freedoms, and no one need be beholden to the whims of the clergy.
I did not argue that the catholics or any other religion need validate a marriage they choose not to, but neither should their faiths' beliefs have any bearing on the freedoms of the people.
And I do not see you parsing kudos to that villain for ignoring, denying, and covering up the rape of children by his henchmen.
Reubear
4:29 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
This just in the news this morning. 75 Republicans Sign a brief, asking our U.S. Supreme Court to make it unconstitutional for gays not to have the Same Right to Marry.. One of them former Governor of Utah and Republican Presidential Candidate Jon B. Huntsman Jr.. He was once against gay marriage himself. Look it up!!!