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What Should Replace Desiree Restaurant?

The restaurant has been vacant for several years now. Located in the heart of downtown Skokie, we wanted to know what you think should replace it?

 

It’s been more than a decade since Desiree Restaurant closed its doors at 8000 Lincoln Ave. The property is located in the heart of downtown Skokie, but the former restaurant, and several of the smaller storefronts attached to it, have been empty for some time now.

Skokie Patch wants to know: What should replace the vacant space?

For starters, Trader Joes, Mariano's Fresh Market or anything on a corporate level won’t be coming anytime soon, at least according to village trustee Randy Roberts, who said, “We're never going to see the big box and chain stores in downtown Skokie, but we’ve already started creating a very rich and vibrant, ethnic downtown.”

Downtown Skokie already has a plethora of ethnic restaurants. The property is also located at the corner of what’s considered the anchor of the downtown area.

So, what do you think? Share your thoughts by posting a comment below.

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Skokieguy

6:22 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Panera Bread. Open early, open late, can get a full meal, or can get carry out. Good quality, not too expensive food.

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Albert

1:17 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

My husband and I bought a home in Skokie about a year ago, and we are in our early 30's. We would love to see more great restaurants. Something with outdoor seating. Maybe an upscale gastro pub with great food and fun atmosphere. I think a mom and pop coffee shop would also be great. The downtown Glenview area is really cute and has great shops, Skokie needs to start building up the downtown area so people will want to spend time and money. I never really see people enjoying it.

John Tiffin

6:43 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I would like to see a family owned general store in that spot. Something that we haven't had for a while.

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kevin

10:57 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Would not survive, Wal-Mart, 2 Jewels, Target, Ace, Menards all within 5-10 minutes

Albert Michaels

7:14 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Why would Skokie never see bix box stores in downtown Skokie, is it because the stores themselves feel they will not make money there? or is because Skokie board will not pernit it?

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kevin

10:58 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

There is really no space in downtown Skokie other than the properties at the end of Floral.

h m

7:41 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Everything is out of the building (1st and 2nd floor), the framing place is out, the store the north is vacant, the photo place has been torn down. To me it seems as if the village is looking to attract a developer to create mixed use housing with stores on the first floor. Look what happened at niles & Oakton (both sides of Oakton) & just north of FNBOS (now chase, corner Lincoln & Oakton.

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deborah

7:43 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

A replica of Desiree Restaurant...

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Frank

7:58 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Knowing the succes of Libertad, which has brought upscale and younger diners to the area...another similar type restaurant, to include outdoor dinning would be great. Agree with Albert Michaels, the current village board won't allow a big box store on that corner. Sadly we'll never see change til the current board is defeated. Vote the out in April.

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kevin

11:00 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Where are you going to put outdoor seating? Have you seen the "outdoor seating" at Village Inn? Now thats a joke. Eclisi has the right idea with rear outdoor seating.

Brian Hickey

7:58 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Nothing. Same thing that replaced the two vacant lots on Dempster. Vacant three years now after the village purchased the property and razed it. Nothing. A whole lotta nothing. Same as the wonderful new Science and Technology park. Whole lotta nothing. "Trustee Candidate Randy Roberts Does a Little Bit of Everything." And a whole lotta nothing.

Ever get the feeling that Skokie can't even tread water anymore? That the water is starting to cover our collective heads. Skokie residents had better get registered and figure out it's time to dump this one party "Caucus" government. It has not done well in more than 20 years. Utter failure.

Ever feel that buying property in Skokie was the biggest mistake you ever made?

And now Gail, if you will please : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJr6FknZhpM

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Katie Gudgel

8:25 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Please make sure you and your neighbors are registered to vote.

The last day to register or change your voter registration before the April 9 election is March 12. So, if you or your neighbor has recently moved to Skokie, then make sure to re-register. If you know of someone who has just turned 18 or will turn 18 by April 9, they can also vote in this election - if they are registered.

The following web-site has information on how to register (online, by mail, or in person)
http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/elections/registertovote/Pages/default.aspx

And if you do have a new neighbor, take this opportunity to go introduce yourself - and ask them if they have registered to vote in Skokie.

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V.S.

8:44 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Thanks, Brian, for the youtube video. Something uplifting on a cold winter day.

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Eugene Salganik

9:04 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I would be curious to hear a response from the Village about the Science and Technology Park. It is almost like the best guarded secret. Who is in there? How many SF are occupied, how many are vacant? What are the plans for the future? How are we marketing it to the outside world? If the Village reads these posts (I think it should), please respond. Thank you.

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kevin

11:04 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Lets not forget, crime is moving in from namely Evanston and the section 8 areas of Skokie. No one will want to come to Skokie if people keep shooting at each other.

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Susan Donian

9:51 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

OBERWEIS! Would have been a perfect spot for 'OBERWEIS".... but greed took over and instead decided to kick out our tenant, Value Transmissions, which was providing a great service to the community for over 22 years and had 10 years left on our lease... Value Transmissions moved and will be just fine, however as owners of the property, we got screwed big time. (ME)... maybe OBERWEIS should move there and give us back our property and tenant. why make a viable business move and shut down through Eminent Domain when there are properties that are dead and needing improvement? This is an example of dirty dealing and greed and misuse of the LAW, and how much did the eminent domain lawsuit cost? This makes me SICK

Sandrina Roc

8:23 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Is Randy Roberts serious when he says 'we've already started creating a very rich and vibrant, ethnic downtown'? I've lived in Skokie over 35 years. Right now the only thing that draws me downtown is the Library.

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kevin

10:45 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

politicians for the most part talk out of the back end of their body. Lets see, Subway, no thanks, riches britches, no thanks, maybe that comic book store and the Armenian grill but thats it. Lets not forget, you cross the tracks, the area quickly turns bad.

V.S.

8:51 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I would like to see a family restaurant that's open evenings. Not all children like Thai food, or Jamaican, or middle eastern. Annie's is very good, but only open until 4 p.m.

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Robert Quane

8:53 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I could not get into the restaurants downtown last Sat. because I did not have a reservation so yes, progress is being made on the dining out experience in downtown Skokie. A live music experience and venue will help round out the downtown options and make downtown Skokie a destination place.

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Adam Davis

9:46 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

This was the intent when the Village made efforts to ensure that the Skokie Theatre did not shutter before getting a buyer last year. Rather than make it a draw for commerce to come into Skokie, the new owners have offered a mixed bag of substandard fare that has not elevated culture or commerce downtown. Maybe the Village should buy it back and contract someone to run the venue.

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kevin

10:46 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

So you had a hard time getting into Subway?

Eugene Salganik

9:09 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

What is the current situation with the ownership of that building? I understand that the condition of it is not up to par. Is that true? Does anyone have a clue if it is for sale or for rent? or both? Can the Village use its eminent domain power to take the building away from the present owner if it is not kept up? Does anyone know?

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kevin

10:54 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Is it ok if the village to take your home against your will?

Oliver P. McCracken

9:16 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Perhaps an establishment that peddles spirits? I can get a bite of supper, some tobacco for my pipe, and even borrow the latest Dickens tome all in the same city block. Yet when the winter's chill necessitates a nightly nip of brandy, where are the hawkers of inebriants, intoxicants, and potable elixirs?

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sally

9:23 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

A 100% gluten free restaurant/ bakery/ cafe!!!!

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kevin

10:42 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I cant think of a better way to get people to go somewhere else than to give a prime spot to a place that serves a extremely small percentage of the population.

Adam Davis

9:57 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

An upscale spirits / entertainment venue would work nicely in both filling a need and attracting people downtown. Anchor Tenant. A health oriented bakery, Old Fashioned Ice Cream and Diner, or even a Caribou Coffee, tenant two. A dance or yoga studio upstairs. Tenant three. Cant get tenants? Turn it into a "found" art gallery and event space to get some traffic downtown and those signs out of the windows. Another mixed use development would bring more people downtown by virtue of more of them living there, but that'd be several years off.

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kevin

10:52 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

there is a bakery in downtown, Sweetie Pies. The idea of a health oriented bakery is dumb to me. If im going to a bakery, sure as hell not going to get healthy food.

Brian Hickey

11:04 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

What Kevin? Not into eating sweetened twigs and leaves?

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kevin

11:10 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Ill be sure to get the purified spring water from Lake Michigan.

Oliver P. McCracken

11:05 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

It seems to me that the inhabitants of our village spend a disproportionate amount on their children -- I am not saying this is a bad thing at all. Venture west of the High-Way and you'll find that establishments with Tramp-'o'-Leens, inflated bouncing contraptions, and other sundry recreations are almost always overflowing with Birth-Day Boys & Girls and their families.

Wouldn't such a place of youthful diversion bring business into Downtown Skokie? A roller-skating rink, perhaps? A penny arcade and nickelodeon? A gymnasium with doo-dads, doo-hickeys, spinners, poppers, twirlers, and whirl-i-gigs?

Perhaps instead of catering to us aging penny-pinchers, the titans of commerce should focus on that demographic upon whom endless income is lavished -- children.

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DH

11:05 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

How about another Walgreens?

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kevin

11:09 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

There is a walgreens literally a tenth of a mile down oakton.

john doe

11:35 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

hey dh maybe they need a bank?

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Sweetg

12:43 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

We're getting all of Evanston's unwanted residents, let instead borrow some positive attractions from them, and maybe attract better residents here. I think a late night live music venue with attached dining, like SPACE in Evanston, would be great. For the younger crowd, lets emulate BooCoo in Evanston and give the kids somewhere to go after school besides out on the street. How about an internet cafe? Then bring back the art school and some other craft shops to fit the character of Oakton. With the library across the street and the historical museum behind, they could create a real synergy to attact families back to Skokie. Don't forget to add a multi-story attached garage in place of the existing lot, to deal with lack of parking and Midwest winters. Then in the summer, open the parking lot up for a huge weekend garage sale (also like Evanston) since holding one in an actual garage or yard is practically been banned in Skokie. But first we need to elect Trustees that actually listen to our ideas and care about the community. Not Trustees that try to sneak in new fees and bureaucracy to chase good residents and property owners out of town. (Read about their attempt to institute a "Tenant Tax" in Skokie, at www.SkokieLandlord.org)

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kevin

1:27 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

No offense but most of Skokie's parking is already unused so lets add a multi-story parking garage to go empty? The character of Oakton needs multiple personalities because obviously its not working.

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Adam Turetzky

1:32 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I was going to recommend the same thing. Great idea(s). Something along the lines of Evanston's "SPACE". Or Chicago's "Headquarters Beercade" and "Emporium Arcade Bar" without the alcohol. Maybe combine the two ideas somehow. An arts related business with something to facilitate a teenage hangout.

Eugene Salganik

12:54 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

A crowdsourced business idea funded through a local crowdfunding website (FunderHut). We are only limited by our imagination!

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Ilya Khait

1:36 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I think a Starbucks or a Caribou Coffee wouldn't hurt. I know its not family owned or what everyone WANTS, but it has the brand loyalty that nothing downtown Skokie has.

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kevin

1:45 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I think it would be better off closer to the yellow line stop.

Troy

1:39 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I'd like to see the space occupied by any legal use deemed suitable by the investors willing to accept the risk.

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Ava

2:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

How about City Winery? Similar to Evanston's SPACE...
http://www.citywinery.com/chicago/

Live music, good food, warm fire place, decent bar...

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Adam Davis

1:30 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Good seeing you there last night, but that's a singular kind of place. A more modest, version of the entertainment concept would be good, but a stretch in tersm of the realistic expectation of it ever happening, for a variety of reasons.

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Cal

9:22 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Great Idea!! or out door cafe! or a good Mexican Restaurant

Lunt Jarvis

2:54 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

There's no parking!!!! How can anyone run a successful restaurant, let alone business, with no parking???!!!!

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George Slefo

3:20 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

There is free public parking near the rear of the building.

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Ava

5:06 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

On Sunday night, in the cold, I parked and walked a over a block away, in a neighborhood far more sketchy than Skokie, to attend a show at the City Winery. In addition to that my friends and I each paid money for tickets, food and drinks -- in Chicago. If City Winery or SPACE were here, in Skokie, the downtown area would become more attractive to people looking for quality live music. It would change the dynamic, in my opinion, for the better.
Seems to me I'm hearing/seeing a lot of whining here. Come up with some meaningful suggestions that can lead to thoughtful discussions. Seriously!

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kevin

10:09 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Seriously no parking? There are huge lots across the street from village hall that are never full with the exception of the farmers market and work days.

r neville

3:04 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Obviously a gun-store and range.

There's going to be a lot of demand when concealed carry happens this summer, and right now there is no place to go for practice, instruction, or certification South or East of Des Plaines.

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Oliver P. McCracken

3:49 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

That area is never more festive and lively than during the Backlot Bash at the end of each summer.

I propose we shut down Oakton Street, hire the toothless and illiterate carnival folk as Park District employees, and make Downtown Skokie a year-round fairground wonderland!

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Randy Miles

4:01 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

FYI - The Village/Trustees have been working diligently on numerous fronts to try to get a suitable owner/tennant for the old Desiree space. The current owner has been trying to rebuild, lease or sell the property to anyone willing to make the investment. there in lays the problem; the property is in need of tons of money to make it inhabitable. The owner has not been able to secure financing due to market conditions. They continue to pay the tax on the property.
The Village has been working very hard on several deals that unfortunatly have fallen through. I believe that the Village is doing what it can to move this along in a responsable manner. As president of the Independent Merchants of Downtown Skokie, i am a little better informed on some of the "deals" that have fallen through, for one reason or the other. Some of the ideas that have been mentioned on this forum are good ones, however you need to have someone step up with the money to breath life into those ideas. People must understand that in our country, it is private enterprise that make things happen - NOT GOVERNMENT. In my opinion, this is a good thing!!!

to the guy who mentioned the outdoor dining at the Village Inn (my restaurant) - We (IMODS and the Village of Skokie) have sucsessfully changed the ordinance to allow outdoor dining on the sidewalks of our downtown. Is it perfect? No, however as our downtown gets a facelift (Spring 2013) you will see increased oppertunity for outdoor dining.

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Skokie Mike

4:13 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Hi Randy, love your pizza. BUT, "working diligently" and "move this along in a responsible manner." That is as inaccurate of a statement you can make.

It's been over a decade. Sure, the village will enforce eminent domain and kick out an auto shop that's been part of the community since forever, but they won't kick out a shady building owner in downtown skokie?

Maybe if Oberweis wanted to come to the "revitalized" downtown area they would have taken over the vacant building. You put too much faith in our current elected officials.

Everyone, vote independent come April.

Skokie Mike - resident 25+ years.

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Ava

5:14 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Randy, I agree with you -- private enterprise is the only way change will take place. There are multiple owners/investors in SPACE (who live in Evanston) and The City Winery also is privately owned (there's one in NYC) -- someone there is making a ton of $$ -- the drinks were not inexpensive! I wish I had a winning lottery to open one up myself -- I'd love to book the acts and run the place. How about getting a group of investors (or a collective group of community members) to undertake something like this -- there must be revitalization grant money to apply for, and surely, the Village, would have a vested interest in something like this succeeding. It was really an impressive place...you should check it out.

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Helene

5:26 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Randy, thanks for your response.

As for vote independent Skokie Mike, I have yet to see anyone who is wanting our votes. I for one am not voting for someone who won't take the time to get to know the people who will be voting for them. Other than Lisa, I have no idea who these people are.

As for Downtown Skokie being a joke...it is far from that. I known many of the business owners and frequent the businesses apparently way more often than most of the people posting.

Skokie Helene - resident 50 years

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Helene

5:32 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Randy, thanks for your response.

As for vote independent Skokie Mike, I have yet to see anyone who is wanting our votes. I for one am not voting for someone who won't take the time to get to know the people who will be voting for them. Other than Lisa, I have no idea who these people are.

As for Downtown Skokie being a joke...it is far from that. I known many of the business owners and frequent the businesses apparently way more often than most of the people posting.

Skokie Helene - resident 50 years

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Seymour J. Schwartz

5:40 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Randy Miles, You explained the attempt well and I know you have been inimically involved in trying to revitalize downtown Skokie, & you in particular are owed our debt of gratitude. And the Village Trustees have been working diligently in a very bad economy.

But you & others are dead wrong when you write that private enterprise makes things happen and not government. Private enterprise could not exist without working together WITH the cooperation of GOVERNMENT.

No streets paved, no sewers for water, no sidewalks, no breathable air to allow for customers to venture out of their homes, no police to protect one's place of business, no fire department to put out the fire from the store fire sale, no govt regulations on building codes for for safety, maximum occupancy, etc.

WITHOUT ALL THESE SERVICES PROVIDED ONLY BY A GOVERNMENTAL UNIT, PRIVATE ENTERPRISE COULD NOT MAKE THINGS HAPPEN LET ALONE EXIST. Oh, I forgot to mention corporate tax breaks in the income tax code, and govt bailouts when the banksters & corporate greed mongers get into trouble because of their own super greed. Corp. get their charters of incorporation to exist from govt.

Government is not in the business to run a business but its involvement in doing business by the private sector is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY allow business to work.

Thinking otherwise, parroting the false conventional wisdom nonsense of right wing conservatives does not change the modern world in the prairies of the Old West.

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kevin

9:46 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

If i remember correctly, you guys also had hanging flowers which makes pedestrian a pain, IMO would be better off along Brown.

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kevin

9:54 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Helene, Downtown Skokie is desolate the vast majority of the time along Oakton. You could walk down the street any normal day and maybe encounter a handful of people or 2 and thats now because they are walking to the train. There is really not much to attract anyone to the downtown area. It also does not help that as soon as you cross over the tracks, things hit the fan crime wise. I was there 10 minutes after that moron started shooting in front of the hardware store. My picture was featured for that story. It just so happens that he came from a area, right behind the business district and in a area with a lot of section 8 housing.

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kevin

10:03 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Ah a guy who believes that government is the answer to everything. The be all end all. So much for liberty when Government can provide it all.

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And why is downtown a ghost town?

12:01 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Instead of paying out six-figures for a stop light at Main by the school where Carter Vo was killed who doesn't Skokie take some of their money and buy buildings like this or assist in the repair of such? Blocks and blocks of Depster street by the Swift are enpty. My friend's bar was there and they had to just run everyone out that instant so they could "build" and yet there it all sits, blocks of eyesore. The Barnum and Bagel 'needs repairs" and so it sits, empty, a huge restaurant. And no we don't have any sit-down places in Skokie except for Sanders and ....well, Sanders so why doesn't Skokie take some money and then take a % of the profit from a family dining place? We don't need a stop light using the death of a young man based on "speeding", when it was NOT. How many years is Skokie going to be allowed to run everyone out, then make it impossible to come back in? We won't get some new blood until we VOTE in some new blood.

Michael Adams

4:20 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Kevin in correct with a couple of issues. Crime is up........anyone walk outside after 8pm anymore without looking behind themselves the whole way? Moved here with my family 10 years ago because Skokie was safe............thats over now. So many vacant stores.............downtown Skokie is a joke. Current Skokie government should be removed and new idea put in. If I could sell my house and not take just a huge hit, my family and I would be gone tomorrow. Very Very disappointed in the leadership in Skokie !!!

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kevin

9:59 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

There are a couple of good places like that Armenian grill but you want to know what a big issue is, all these "small businesses" close early.

Sim Elwood

5:10 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Put another Walgreens there. That's Skokie's answer to the UBAA site. Remove the quaint and fill it with the useless. You wonder why everybody goes to Evanston to spend their money now...

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Ava

5:16 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I know...that's really a dumb decision to put another Walgreens up at the UBAA site...again, someone's making money; it's not us! I wonder who it is????

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michael b

10:03 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Amen. This town needs new leadership. Why are the surrounding suburbs around us more attractive? Why are they safer? Skokie got stuck in a time warp! Too slow to respond to the times. The current leadership is out of touch and clueless! They allowed the demographic to change for the worse. They have no clue what will make this town more desirable for new residents to consider moving here. Another Walgreens?! How about allowing the opening of the Salvation Army store in the middle of a residential, single family homes area! Dropped our property value instantly! I moved here 6 years ago with my family (from Arlington Hts!) and have regretted everyday being here. I pray Skokie will turn things around. I'm rooting for Skokie because I believe in the good people here. I believe Skokie can become a beautiful place to live once again but we need real leadership with the balls to make real changes.

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Cal

9:26 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

I agree with Michael B and Sim, Ava.... NEW LEADERSHIP and BETTER POLICE presence. were afraid to open the door at night. Just let the trash continue to ruin the town. we moved here 3 yrs ago and regret it too, embarrased to say we live in Skokie. The Streets are not SAFE

Paul N

6:06 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

The old-fashioned store front would be perfect for a 'Margie's Candies'. If they are looking to expand from Chicago, this would be a good fit. It resembles the original Margies store. http://www.margiesfinecandies.com/

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Vince Bariman

9:15 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

We can blame a bad economy or entrepreneurs not wanting to build with thier own money, but a lot of the blame needs to be put on the unimaginative shoulders of Skokie government. Our neighbors in Evanston always seem to have meaningful plans under construction or consideration. Just consider the Trader Joes', GFS store, the two live music venues (SPACE and 27 Alive), multiple vibrant shopping districts and the news about a possible bowling alley and a 3 building performance arts center. Why can't Skokie successfully build places like this?? I realize TIF districts help, but a forward thinking government doesn't hurt, either. The longer I live here (20 years now), the more incensed I get.

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Seymour J. Schwartz

9:50 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

--Part 1--

A most productive way to begin to think about what should occupy the Desiree space is to ask the right questions to guide the thought process.

--What assumptions have been made that are correct and-or- faulty?
--Does that location have special significance for the whole downtown area?
--Is there a certain character that is desirable for the downtown area to be associated with?
--Why has that location been so vacant for 10 years?
--What are the main negatives of that property?
--What are the main attractants and positives of that property?
--What can the Village do to attract a business or residence facility to utilize that
space?

There are many more questions that can be raised but these represent a good start to point us in the right planned direction.

----Some Comments on the Questions I Raised----

Assumptions--Randy Roberts is correct that chain stores or big box stores are not going to locate here, including Trader Joes and Starbucks. Why. The two just mentioned have been approached by the Village and have turn down the opportunity to locate here. An attractive chain is not likely to locate here because they would need to be assured of a certain minimum level of consumer traffic that has never occurred in the downtown area.

Big Box stores are absolutely out of the question. There is not enough space or parking. Also, it would overwhelm the smaller businesses in the surrounding area.

---to be continued--

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kevin

10:21 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

It has never occurred because pretty much everything is focused on a small sliver of the public... There is really not much to draw people to the downtown area and thats why consumer traffic suffers.

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Seymour J. Schwartz

12:33 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Kevin, this is like the chicken before the egg problem. Because there is not much to draw people to downtown other than the best public library in suburban Chicago bar none, consumer traffic is low. But you have difficulty attracting an establishment because consumer traffic is low. Hence, the conundrum as it is difficult for one to happen without the other happening first.

Wait, a light bulb just went on in my head. Why not feed off of the library as a source for information? This is the information age. Why not locate at Desiree (I'm just brainstorming) an exciting architecturally modern building containing a number of establishments extending the purpose of the library as a source of information and communication. Include such things as a specialty bookstore, maybe a discount bookstore, art poster store such as the long established one almost next to Annies, a small scale computer outlet store, a computer cafe, a childrens' educational toy store, etc. creating a synergy connecting stores in one bldg. Sell the property to a developer who specializes in themed specialty buildings. This notion may seem hair brained, but at least it is an attempt at trying to come up with a larger picture trying to meet the criteria I set before--acting as a feeder to other establishments, building on the major attractant downtown, the library, and so on. As to the economics of it, the financing, etc., I am not the expert. I leave that to more knowledgeable people.

Seymour J. Schwartz

10:10 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

--Part 2--

This location is THE KEY to the whole downtown revitalization. It is located at the most visible place where the most people pass by to go to the municipal buildings, Village Hall & Skokie Library, and the Village Green. It is at the main intersections with the most traffic in the area--Lincoln, Oakton & Niles Center. What goes in there will impact on the kind of development for the rest of downtown.

It is counterproductive to just "fill that space" without paying attention to how it will fit its role as a catalyst for downtown renewal. Stop thinking of just any kind of store just because of your own personal taste or imitate places in other towns that would not necessarily work in this space in Skokie.

The direction that downtown seems to be going is toward small specialty stores and ethnic type restaurants that would appeal to a broader more upscale market in order to attract people from beyond the immediate residential area and may even beyond the borders of Skokie.

The residents already living in the vicinity are not bringing economic vitality to the establishments. A big disappointed I believe is the more upscale residents in the newer condos recently built here do not seem to shop much or frequent the expanding eateries there.

Thus whatever located at the Desiree location must be able to act as a feeder for customers to frequent other businesses in the area, thus spur its revitalization.

--to be continued--

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kevin

10:17 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

You wanna know why people dont shop along Oakton, for 1, Old Orchard is 7 minutes away in one direction, Village Crossing is 5 minutes away in the other direction. That and as i mentioned before, no one is open for the most part past 6pm when people are home.

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pbennett

10:52 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

The building is a landmark, it needs to be preserved but it can be up-dated. There are many business that strive in a buildings that have been preserved. Tear it down and you might as well be at the mall, waste of resources.

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kevin

6:04 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

a landmark of what? It really would be beneficial to tear it down and start anew.

Seymour J. Schwartz

10:31 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

--Part 3--

The working class residents of the area have a multitude of places to frequent east of Skokie Blvd.

Why vacant for 10 years? Probably for a multitude of reasons. Money drying up with an uncertain economy and banisters hoarding deposits. Poor condition of the building. Poor track record of economic viability of that property. Unstable influx of population taking up residence in the surrounding area. Lack of incentives. Just to name a few. One that is not a factor: Village officials can't be blamed for lacking effort which has been continual & persistent.

The main negatives of that property: Outdated building in need of much renovation. Needs to be torn down to be attractive to a business that will fulfill some of the needs to spur development of the rest of downtown.

Should that location be multi use, residential, strictly commercial, office bldg., a main store & smaller stores? Residential will fulfill nothing to revitalize the area. Same with an office bldg. or certain kind of commercial uses which will not act as a feeder or will generate little traffic such as another banister, or proprietary non-college college or school which will be a fly-by-night establishment.

Above all, it is better to leave that spot vacant for now than to land just any kind of tenant whose sustainability will be suspect & not likely to act as a feeder & catalyst for the rest of the area. Think of the whole area & not just that location.

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Steve Mottel

10:34 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Village clown manager rigoni - Skokie village manager since 1987!!!!!
Village clown mayor van dusen - Skokie mayor since 1999!!!!
What direction has the downtown (and Skokie) taken? Nothing but down.
What has Park Ridge, Elmhurst ( the list goes on and on) done in the last 10-20 years?
Built downtowns that are to be envied.
These clowns are part of a corrupt machine that lines pockets of developers (Terraco, etc - anyone want another Walgreens built in town?, anyone?) etc, etc.
Nothing will change until everyone in city hall is thrown the hell out.
On a final note, do you think carjackings, muggings, shootings would go over well in a town like Rosemont? No at all.
So, we have clown leaders that lack vision (Elmhurst, Park Ridge) and that lack a spine (Rosemont).
What are we left with???

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kevin

6:07 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

If they dont want you in Rosemont, you arent going to live there. It does not hurt that the main residential area is completely guarded by police.

That said, Park Ridge uptown is always packed, same with Arlington Heights, Morton Grove, Naperville among others.

Seymour J. Schwartz

10:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

--Addendum to Part 3--

In hurrying to finish, I noticed in Part 3 that twice is used the non-existent term banisters when I meant "banksters", my nomenclature for banks that are one of the two major forces for a near depression almost occurring during this near economic collapse. Why the error twice? I just noticed on the keyboard the letter 'i' is just above the letter 'k'. Still, 3 lines above I noticed I typed 'banisters' again, which thankfully I proofread and thus caught the error of my ways before I pressed 'submit'.
I'm afraid I'm losing it.

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BOB

9:55 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Just a thought. Don't Skokie Village Employees, and elected officials. ever get out of Skokie and observe other areas fo possible things that could be done with both downtown, and the Skokie Swift Yellow line Station at Dempster. Sent them some suggestions about Dempster, and never received back a response. Would you believe it is not even possible to buy adaily paper on the way to the train? Boxes aren't serviced any more.

Michael Gershbein

10:09 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

I could not believe how packed the Starbucks near Dempster and Crawford was when I dropped by a couple of weekends ago. Many groups of people sitting together and chatting - a real community feel. I find it difficult to believe that a coffee shop in the Desire location wouldn't be able to thrive in a similar way.

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Seymour J. Schwartz

11:42 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Not the same. Oakton is not Dempster re: traffic. Dempster Starbucks clientele fed by CTA train station. A natural. Desiree location is not. A relatively traffic dead intersection. Oakton CTA station is not a feeder, over a half mile away. Plus, naturally, Starbucks refused to locate in downtown Skokie.

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Jon Schneider

12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Seymour has his Starbucks mixed up. Michael seems to be talking about the one near Village Market not the one fed by CTA. General point still accurate regarding heavier traffic, but that Starbucks is not really fed by CTA at all.

jeff

10:14 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

NEED TO PUT SOMETHING FOR KIDS

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pbennett

10:47 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Some place that opens up early so that some of us can carpool, save on gas and still have a safe place to wait till our jobs open. Good food, good officer visiblility.

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Michael Gershbein

11:59 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Seymour, I am speaking of the Starbucks near Crawford in a strip mall. It's become a real community center despite being tucked away. I find it hard to believe that between the tech park, the library half a block away, the el station and a decent amount of traffic that Skokie can't support a coffee shop downtown (not necessarily Starbucks). Similar to the Edgebrook one that replaced a diner. Happy to see lots of opinions on the matter.

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Seymour J. Schwartz

7:22 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

John and Michael,

You are right. This blog is beginning to make me meshugi (mixed up). I agree a Starbucks or another coffee house would be a natural for downtown Skokie as an attractant. But for some inexplicable reason, Starbucks turn down a query to locate there. Perhaps they thought downtown was full of young and upscale people, a target group for them. Perhaps they felt there were enough Starbucks within a relative proximity. I don't really know.

I would think a Starbucks or another coffee shop on Oakton by the train stop would be quite successful. Not because of the train stop which does not seem to have and overflow of users, but rather its proximity to the Science Tech Park, with its hundreds of workers.

SkokieHTP

1:10 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Do you know what is hot, and you don't see except for in the city of Chicago? Craft Brewing. I think a Brew Pub where beer is made on site would do very well at this location. Maybe even expand into the drug store space next door, with a nice gastro pub menu.

I have lived in Skokie for nearly 9 years; now raising our kids here (we love our school district). It’s my opinion that downtown Skokie is a better place than it was 9 years ago. How can anyone dispute that? Does it still need a lot of work? Of course.

Our family has always enjoyed Annie’s, the Library, the farmers markets, and now Bug House Studio, Aw, Yeah Comics, Back Lot Bash, and movie nights on the village green. My wife and I love Libertad (Chicago Magazine best of Chicago 2012), Kabul House, and Yolo (both Michelin “Bib Gourmand Restaurants”) We have enjoyed Siunik, Tub Tim Thai, and Sweety Pies. My dad, who lives in Michigan, loves the European Deli! I also find Skokie Hardware to be much easier to deal with than Home Depot.

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SkokieHTP

1:16 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

As you know the Patch limits your comments, so here are the rest of my comments.

Crime in Skokie? I personally haven’t been a victim, but no matter where I am (Skokie, Evanston, Wilmette, etc) I pay attention to my surroundings. I lock my car doors, I lock my doors when I leave home, I have a sensor light in my backyard, I have neighbors watch the house when out of town, I talk to (and hang out with) my neighbors, I trim my hedge, I pull my weeds, I pick up trash in the street, and report to the village when I don’t like something. I have always received a call back! I would do the exact same things if I lived in Wilmette. If you don’t have a block watch, start one!

Is Skokie perfect? No, but what place is? Get involved, do something to make Skokie better!

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Seymour J. Schwartz

7:43 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

SkokieHTP, good 'ole Skokie booster,

Crime is not rampant in Skokie. The problem is that certain violent bold armed street crime is increasing. A resultant death is waiting to happen. This is correlated with an influx of low income folks mainly from crime infested areas of Chicago.

Officials are inexperienced dealing with them and the problems they bring with. The unwritten and understood message is given that the police are not to be too aggressive because the Village does not want to be inundated with lawsuits.

These violent crimes largely are being committed by residents and visiting friends in multi-dwelling buildings. And like street crime throughout the nation, most violent crimes are committed in the same neighborhoods where the perpetrators live. Hence most of the victims are their fellow neighbors & those living in surrounding areas. The Skokians deserve better protection. Furthermore, in a suburb where you need a car to get around & kids often rely on their bicycles, one from outside the neighborhood can find themselves getting caught up in the violence. More members of gangs have moved to Skokie. While they do not represent a strong gang threat to Skokians, they are a major force in the drug trafficking & that puts our kids, grandchildren, and younger adults at grave risk.

--Part 1--

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Seymour J. Schwartz

7:49 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

==Part 2==
It is easy to feel complacent and I live in the statistically lowest crime quadrant in Skokie. But we are all members of the same community. We need to be involved.

One canard I feel should be laid to rest. Contrary to conventional wisdom, these violent crimes ARE NOT being committed by Section 8 residents. Their number has been slightly decreasing and has remained consistently in the low 400s. Most are elderly residents. It is a fact that some younger male relatives visit and commit crimes of opportunity in the Village. But most violent offenders who get caught (the main way the police get hard statistics) reside in Skokie.

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Steve Mottel

11:03 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Seymour,
Too bad we do not have leadership like the village of Rosemont.
This kind of crap would not last for one, single day in that town.
The law is the law. Whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong. No BS.
No fear of lawsuits from delusional open community types......

Brian Hickey

2:12 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

How many of the geniuses commenting here have professional real estate brokerage and development experience?

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Seymour J. Schwartz

1:13 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Steve Mottel,

You don't want leadership like Rosemont. The Stephens family who have long controlled Rosemont have had ties to the mob. Regardless of what you think of Skokie, you DON'T want the MOB controlling its leaders, right Guido?

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Steve Mottel

9:31 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Hey Simour,
It would be a dream to have republican leadership with a spine in Skokie.
Unfortunately we have loony liberals that have turned this town into a dump.
My for sale sign is up.
Check it with me in 5-10 years and lets see how things turn out for you here, right Guido?

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Seymour J. Schwartz

12:16 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Steve,

I don't want to leave the impression that just because I have criticized the efforts of fighting one aspect of crime that I think Skokie is headed for the scrap heap. I believe in no such thing. Skokie is far from becoming the wild west. I want to make that very clear.

But Skokie does have a problem & until the Village leaders after the election wake up & recognize the potential danger from influxes of some of its newer residents & that it necessitates an alteration in some policing strategies, a tragedy is waiting to happen. They will have no one to blame but themselves.

When it happens, they will have no one to blame but themselves for not having the courage to face it head on. At present there are at least 4 lawyers among the Trustees & corporate counsel. Lawyers, knowing the intricacies of the law, sometimes are the worst judges of realizing when to change policy tactics & worry about potential lawsuits secondarily.

This is the case in Skokie as I see it. BTW, the Caucus Party that has led Skokie since the late 1950s is comprised of both Democrats and Republicans. Experts, who include me, realize that labels often incorrectly stigmatize and stereotype behavior of people. Democrats, liberals, have led this country as President for most of the years we have been at war in the last century. Republicans have been President during the beginning of the great Depression and the recent great Recession.

So much for labeling and stereotyping.

Brian Hickey

2:55 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

But on the upside, he had a nice suit and hair cut.

But with only about 45 days left in his 'reign' I say let's videotape the Mayor and the rest of the trustees smiling and thanking him right now, and send him his plaque of congratulations via UPS.

Anyone who calls "his constituents" (I say loosely) "crazies and haters"...., As in "that meeting brought out a bunch of crazies and haters" has clearly become daft and far too comfortable in his position. A little more respect for the hard working suckers who bought property in this God forsaken village, please.

Again, the village has done outstanding development work all over town. Look at our shiny new train station and ice cream shop. It only cost Skokie taxpayers about $7.3 million of their hard earned dollars. Don't know what they spent to attract "Bug house", Libertad, Aw Yeah comics, Guerilla theater,sweetie Pies, Yolo and Kabul house. But I can tell you I really like Mexican food. And will not spend $60 on a Mexican dinner for two.

You need to attract young and early middle aged people to "downtown" Skokie to make it vibrant and re-vitalize it. While I am rather an oldster, I have checked out Libertad and it is bustling and appears to have a great menu, with plenty of younger patrons, The kind of residents we desperately need in Skokie. Gorilla Tango theater will eventually go bust. Every similar type establishment located there has. I give em' two more years. Too much overhead, not enough revenue.

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michael b

3:59 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Gorilla Tango could stay viable if downtown becomes viable. See a show, have dinner, have drinks and visa Vera. Right now, there isn't much in downtown to make people wanna visit and patronize there except for a few shops which is a start.. Downtown needs a pulse and this Desire spot would be perfect to give it that pulse. I hope the village has the vision and balls to make the right changes.

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Adam Davis

11:35 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

The theatre's viability relies on a different sort of content. What they're presenting their might work okay in Wicker Park, but it won't in Skokie. GT bought the venue for a song, and so sadly, they can probably run forever there on a shoestring. The Village could have done some more research into what they produce but wanted a buyer to take it over and did not care what they would present.

Brian Hickey

3:32 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

However a bar/nightclub in Gorilla Tango's facility would connect well with evening dinner crowds at Libertad. Park your car and spend 4-6 hours on summer evenings. Eat in Libertad's al fresco area out back, cross the street and have a few cocktails and listen to live music or bands. Large enough space to accommodate a healthy size crowd. Good proximity to the police station. Hell, good proximity to BOTH our police stations. Yup, we still got two.

Maybe celebrants who over indulge can take a short cab ride home and come get their cars the next morning. Or walk home.The many Skokie resident cabbies could always use another fare.

Call the bar "The Theater". Maybe wander a block or so over and enjoy some of Village Inn's pizza later. Linger time people. We have enough parking in the area.The bank lot is not used at night.

Desiree needs an excavator with a demolition bucket. Skokie would be wise to try and woo Walker Brothers Original Pancake house...note Glenview, Wilmette, Highland Park...they like downtown locations. That venue is close to three churches, village hall, and lots of condos.

Their clientele is in the area. Everyday.Particularly on Sundays. Maybe some Oakton Swift commuters grab an early breakfast. I suppose they might like the current structure's high steet visibility crammed up against the sidewalk, but they could always knock it down, set the building back and start with a clean slate.

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Brian Hickey

4:36 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Katie, Thanks for posting the voting registration info. Please do it frequently and attach it to many stories. People just don't know where to get this information My deepest thanks !!

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John Wagner

12:22 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

How about a live music venue, other towns are getting them. Or how about a micro brewry in the chase bank building. Is there a Skokie Economic Committee? Yopu would never know!

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Carol S. Kohn

9:48 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Yes, Trader Joe's would really be ideal there! I know of many people who shop at the one in Glenview who live here in Skokie as it would be a lot more convenient and less of a drive (provided the own and drive a car) or able to get to it via public transportation to do their shopping needs!

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