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African Americans Remain Few in the Northern Suburbs

Can we truly pronounce housing segregation against African Americans dead? 

Yes, claims the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research in a much-publicized study released February 6, 2012. Analyzing 2010 Census data, the authors conclude that “all-white neighborhoods are effectively extinct” with “African-American residents in 199 out of every 200 neighborhoods nationwide,” compared 160 out of 200 fifty years ago.

On the North Shore? No. 

The Interfaith Housing Center of the Northern Suburbs analyzed Census data of Chicago’s 16 northern suburbs and found that African Americans comprise only 2 percent of the population outside Evanston (4.7 percent overall), hardly evidence of an open housing market.

Denunciation of this new study, authored by a conservative New York-based think tank, has been swift and vociferous. 

Fair housing groups including the Chicago Area Fair Housing Alliance point out that the Manhattan Institute failed to consider the economic health of neighborhoods in which African Americans are living. 

Fifteen years of predatory lending practices targeting African Americans and Latinos and the subsequent mortgage meltdown and unemployment crises have erased the homeownership gains of these groups. 

The National Fair Housing Alliance reports that “African Americans and Latinos are 75 percent more likely to experience foreclosure.” There is a correlation between the price of housing in a community and its level of racial diversity, as Interfaith’s data show.

Remapping Debate, sponsored by the non-profit Anti-Discrimination Center in New York, has published an extensive series of on-line maps demonstrating that segregation is “alive and well” in the U.S. Using a “dissimilarity index,” which measures the percentage of a particular racial group that would have to move to a different neighborhood to ensure an even racial distribution throughout the area, 65 percent of African Americans would have to move according to 2010 data, not much of a change from 69 percent in 2000.

African Americans also continue to face discrimination in the housing market. Following an extensive audit of the housing market in Chicago’s northern suburbs, my organization, the Interfaith Housing Center of the Northern Suburbs, found that African Americans are more than 50 percent likely to be treated worse than whites with the same qualifications and familial backgrounds in trying to rent or buy in the area.

While it is true that “all-white neighborhoods have largely disappeared, this is more due to the entry of Latinos and Asians into formerly all-white neighborhoods,” as Princeton professor Douglas Massey, author of a history of housing segregation in the United States, is quoted in the New York Times.

This is the case in the northern suburbs. In 1980, only 10 percent of the sixteen community region was made up of Blacks, Latinos, and Asians. Today, that proportion has risen to more than 26 percent, nearly half of it (12.6 percent) Asian. In Lincolnwood, Morton Grove, and Skokie, one in four persons is Asian.  Highwood is the one community in which the non-Hispanic white population is under 50 percent; 56.9 percent of its population is Latino. 

But African Americans have made virtually no inroads in the northern suburbs, where it appears that they may have moved from Evanston (a loss of 3,610 African Americans) to Skokie (a gain of 3,255). This shift could be attributed to condominium conversions in Evanston and rising home prices. People of color and immigrants earn less than their native-born white counterparts.

All of this begs the question of why should we care.

From an individual rights standpoint, we should all be concerned that human beings continue to be turned away from the housing of their choice simply because they are Black. This is wrong, period.

From a neighborhood perspective, we should applaud the growing ethnic diversity of the North Shore. Our children benefit from having friends from different cultural and ethnic backgrounds. It builds understanding and empathy, important attributes to “global citizenship” in an increasingly interconnected world.

We should fight any effort to close our communities from those who would turn back the clock on 44 years of fair housing law. The Heritage Foundation, in a recent memo critical of the federal government’s settlement with Westchester County, NY to further racial integration for African Americans, would have us believe that “minority beneficiaries” don’t want to move to white areas and would have to be “compelled” to do so. They believe that integration is nothing less than an “imposed” exercise and “intrusion” into local markets. 

What these opponents do not understand is that on the contrary, it is housing discrimination and the failure to allow for affordable housing that constitute the “intrusion” into local markets. It is not a failure of the personal choice of "minorities." In the words of New Jersey Supreme Court Justice Pashman, in his 1975 concurrent opinion striking down exclusionary zoning practices:

“Many suburban communities have failed to learn the lesson of cultural pluralism. A homogeneous community, one exhibiting almost total similarities of taste, habit, custom and behavior is culturally dead, aside from being downright boring. New and different life styles, habits and customs are the lifeblood of America. They are its strength its growing force. Just as diversity strengthens and enriches the country as a whole, so will it strengthen and enrich a suburban community.”

Take a look at the statistics in the Patch Media Uploader.

Gail Schechter

8:14 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Note that in fact, the Black population in the northern suburbs went down by 7.2% between 2000 and 2010. A PDF chart by suburb, tracking population by race for 1980, 1990, 2000, and 2010 is attached to this article. See also www.interfaithhousingcenter.org

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Greenwood

10:24 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Gail, have you nailed down the reasons for the relatively low percentage of African Americans or recent immigrants in Winnetka, Kenilworth, Wilmette or Glencoe? I doubt it is racial prejudice, as opposed to the high cost of property ownership. Do you have any examples of folks that can afford the mortgage and the property taxes, yet have been turned away simply because they're not native-born and Caucasian? I'm sure such a buyer would be welcome in my neighborhood.

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grandpa

8:55 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

In order for "community organizers" to organize, in order for "social justice" advocates to advocate they require one thing... a victim. The thing is, if they cannot find a victim, they will create one. The blunt fact is that many Caucasian-Americans cannot afford to live in the north-shore suburbs either. It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity and everything to do with economics. The problem is, for the advocates, if there are no victims, there is no justification for their existence since the only tool in their toolbox is the "race card". When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail.

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Will Stokes

11:14 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Let me see if I have this right. After being compelled by the federal government -- at the insistence of leftist "community organizers" like ACORN and this writer to lend to virtually anyone regardless of ability to pay -- spawning the "sub-prime" loan crisis, it becomes, in the words of Schecter:

"Fifteen years of predatory lending practices targeting African Americans and Latinos and the subsequent mortgage meltdown ... have erased the homeownership gains of these groups."

Seems there is no pleasing these social engineers.

I have a solution -- let's compel all communities that vote heavily for extreme left-liberal office holders like Schakowsky and Obama to embrace a form of government-subsidized housing so that Ms. Schecter's ideal race-based quotas can be met.

We can start with Highland Park, Evanston, Glencoe, Lincoln Park, the Gold Coast and Skokie. I'm sure they'll then be able to avoid the "boredom" that Ms. Schecter so abhors due to the lack of sufficient racial diversity.

In fact, they'll likely have never a dull moment.

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Will Stokes

4:41 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Danziger -- you are the first person here to bring up crime in the context of black housing.

Jayavarman

11:38 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Studies like this only document the obvious. Anyone with two eyes, a brain and a pulse is aware that while non-white populations are growing in the suburbs, African-Americans remain largely ghettoized and frozen out. As the Third World-level inequities between the Woodlawns and Winnetkas continue to intensify, reaching the crisis point, the one-percenters so well represented in this discussion avoid reality and responsibility by shutting down their compassion and heating up the paranoid rhetoric. In siding with abstract property values over real people, crooked lenders over vulnerable borrowers, they are battening the hatches against their own humanity, and I feel sorry for them. I see that one respondent singled out Highland Park, Evanston, Glencoe, Lincoln Park, the Gold Coast and Skokie -- all communities with substantial Jewish populations -- as areas deserving of the supposed curse of diversity. in the end, all hatred has an anti-Semitic as well as a racist component -- toxic attitudes cultivated in an atmosphere of artificial conformity. Segregation whether de jure or de facto is a symptom of an unhealthy community, one characterized by blinding ignorance and paralyzing fear. Weakness is rigid and seeks uniformity and stasis; strength is supple and embraces difference, development and growth. I hope these people and communities gain the strength to see themselves as others see them, and to turn away from the dead end of mindless and heartless reaction.

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Greenwood

12:25 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Jayavarman, do you have a plan for making Winnetka more like Woodlawn, and vice versa? Please don't mistake my paranoid rhetoric for a toxic attitude symptomatic of the dead end of mindless and heartless reaction, but the cost of property and taxes is not abstract. It's about as concrete as it gets.

grandpa

9:12 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

When all else fails, play the two same old cards, race and anti-Semitism... in this case dressed up in the cloak of class warfare. Same old, same old... nothing to see here... move along.

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Will Stokes

4:45 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Where Mr. Danziger, did Schecter even assert anyone was turned away? She just floated some vague gibberish about blacks "weren't treated as well." These lefties are desperate to define a problem so as to justify the vast amounts of cash that they shake down from almost all the area banks, the Feds, a number of business and several of our Township governments. It's all about cash for Schecter & Co.

warren leming

9:15 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

winnetka, wilmette, the northern burbs writ large. always solidly white, wealthy and those are not the parameters for inclusion... or did i miss something about capitalism along the blasted path it carved into the heart of this country, and elsewhere?

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Greenwood

7:29 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Gail's "statistic claim" was a sting operation run by her organization, in which people posed as persons looking for housing. If there were any controls or recognized statistical methods employed, the press release did not mention them.

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Gail Schechter

6:40 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Proof of discrimination on the North Shore? Here are sales testing results from one of our most recent audits, underwritten by HUD Fair Housing Initiatives Program funding. In 2009-10, the Interfaith Housing Center conducted 14 tests to research discrimination in the north suburban sales market based upon race. Testers are always matched exactly -- by family composition, income, and interest -- except for one variable factor, race in this case. 41%, or 9 tests, showed probable cause of discrimination. Here's a sampling of comments and actions that indicate differential treatment. Firm names are redacted.

1. Possible Steering
A matched pair of testers inquired with a real estate agent from a noted firm about an ad for a condo unit for sale in Evanston, found on Craigslist. The test was based on previous tests that indicated possible discrimination by this agent. Both testers asked to see units for sale in addition to the unit assigned. Both testers were able to see the unit; however, the control tester (Caucasian) was shown an additional unit in a primarily white section of Evanston that was not shown to the variable tester (African American).

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KLacy

8:20 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012

Hey, this is all a little unnerving. I'm biracial (African American & Caucasian), and my husband is African American. We are transferring from Farmington Hills, Mi. which is a multiracial community. We are looking for a multiracial suburb near Northbrook. Does it exist? And, how receptive are horse boarding facilities, as I also own a horse.

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David Kreiman

12:55 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

KLacy - I prefer not to answer your post on the forum here, and unfortunately there is no way to reply directly, but i am also happy to provide some insight from multiple angles. If you see this and would like, please reach out to me at davidk@gsb.com

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Joanna Schneider

2:16 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012

@KLacy, Glenview is actually one of the more diverse burbs in the area. And, I'm not sure if Wagner Farm boards private horses, but they'd be a good place to start as you're looking for stables. There's also Glen Grove in Morton Grove, which is a big one that I've heard good things about.

David, thanks for weighing in. As a longtime resident, I'm sure you can lend a valuable big picture perspective.

Gail Schechter

6:40 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

2. Discouraging Comments
A matched pair of testers inquired with an agent from a noted firm about an ad for a single family home for sale in Highland Park, found on Craigslist. Both testers were able to view the unit. Both indicated interest in looking at homes in the Highland Park area; however, the variable (African American) tester was asked if he was sure he wanted to live “way out” in Highland Park even though both testers were equally relocating from out of town to jobs within 10 miles of the suburb.

3. Differential Treatment (more information given to control tester)
A matched pair of testers was assigned to inquire about a single family home for sale in Winnetka with a real estate agent from a noted firm. The home for sale was found online at the firm's website. Both testers indicated they would be interested in learning more about other homes for sale that were similar to the initial ad. The control (Caucasian) tester was shown the initial property assigned and given many listing sheets for other homes in the area. The variable (African American) tester was shown the initial property and given information for that property, but only a list of other properties in the area for sale, not listing sheets with information about each property.

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Gail Schechter

6:44 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

If you are interested in becoming a volunteer Housing Discrimination Investigator for the Interfaith Housing Center of the Northern Suburbs and helping to investigate a complaint or audit the housing market, please contact us. We provide training. Testing is a method of investigating discrimination that has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court (Havens Realty Corp. v. Coleman: http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/455/363/case.html). Thank you!

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Greenwood

9:03 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Gail, thanks for clarifying your methodology. The sample is too small, and there are too many variables unaccounted for, to support the belief that housing discrimination is rampant on the North Shore. The Havens case concerned testers' standing to sue a single landlord, and didn't address the community-wide discrimination that your article implies. I am confident that the vast majority of our community welcomes neighbors of all races, ethnicities and creeds, as long as they are reasonable with the leaf-blower, loud music and outdoor pets. Good luck with your work, but perhaps think twice before you paint entire communities as discriminatory.

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Ed60062

4:32 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

The issue is so much more complicated than a simple analysis of housing statistics by race.

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Greenwood

11:30 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Agreed. Back in the 1920s, Kenilworth had a significant African-American population. Housing statistics and squishy "testing" results prove nothing.

Will Stokes

4:50 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

I was astounded to see the large numbers of big businesses and area bnks who are funding Schecter's outfit. What is even more outrageous is that our tax dollars are going to pay for Schecter's salary and by extension, her antics. Would someone please tell me why the Governments of Northfield, New Trier and Niles Townships are funding this outfit? If ever there was a decisive argument for eliminating the useless Township level of government, here it is.

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The Q

3:37 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Democrats fund democrats......money train to justify existance.

Richard Schulte

7:34 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

It's sort of sad to see this sort of discussion here on Evanston Patch. The 9th Congressional District is overwhelmingly Democrat and leans far to the left. How can there be racial discrimination in such a district?

I thought it was the conservatives/Republicans that are the racists. At least that what Democrats constantly tell us. Perhaps, the Democrats are wrong. Perhaps, the Democrats are just pointing the finger at the other side to cover up their own racial animosity.

The unemployment rate among black folks is around 15 percent. I'd be more concerned about the unemployment rate for black folks than I would be about this housing discrimination thing. No job, no housing.

Where are the jobs? We were told by this Administration that the unemploymeent rate would be 6 percent right about now. What is the government doing to help the economy?

The Keystone XL pipe line would have created jobs immediately-something we desparately need, but the Administration said no to the jobs.

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Tony Kovacs

12:14 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Amazing how leftists think-even with a black President elected by a majority white country-they still find racism all over the USA! Or maybe that is how they keep their jobs and grants with their "culture of complaint." They insist on equality of result, not equality of opportunity (which we should all want.) With the vast network of antidiscrimination laws and agencies with the goal to correct injustice, are they seeking to find a problem where none exists?

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Richard Schulte

8:15 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

To be sure, racial problems still exist in America. Educational opportunities for minorities in our large cities are still not equal to educational opportunities in suburbs and rural areas. Without a decent education, how can we expect minorities to compete in the job market?

One of the problems with equal education is that getting a good education is considered to be "acting white". If minority folks think that getting a good education is "acting white", then there is no hope for minorities being able to compete in the job market.

In the end, it's not about housing discrimination-the root cause of the "housing problem" is the education problem.

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Carlo

11:42 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Correction. The president is not “Black” he is bi-racial. Get your facts straight!

Deadcatbounce

11:12 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

It's all comes down to liberals and progressives vs haters ... When someone drops out of high school, overeats, or fails to exercise, you tell us that their behavior is only "human."  But if a conservative or libertarian objects to paying taxes to help people who make these choices, you get angry.  Question: Why are you so forgiving of people with irresponsible lifestyles, but so outraged by people who don't want to pay taxes to help people with irresponsible lifestyles?  This seems morally perverse.  If you're going to single anyone out for condemnation, it should be the person who behaves irresponsibly in the first place, not the complete stranger who asks, "How is this my fault?"

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Will Stokes

4:14 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

It is amazing that Obama's HUD just gave a grant of $235k to Schechter's Alinsky-styled outfit -- and dimwit Dold praised the grant, and then after someone clued him in, apologized. A new administration will have to make a priority of defunding the Left, just as was done during the 1st Reagan administration.

To see a lampoon of Schechter's above maunderings, go here: http://bit.ly/wFLLjT

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The Q

4:33 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Without an opressed african american communtiy that votes 95% democrat.......there would be no democractic party in america. Sorry its the facts jack.

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Richard Schulte

5:18 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

And if black children were given a good education, they wouldn't be voting for Democrats year after year after year, despite the fact that their plight doesn't really improve.

It's no accident that the public school systems in large cities don't do a very good job educating minority children. (You can't keep educated people on the Democrat plantation.) Educated people figure out that social welfare programs are just a scam to keep folks dependent upon government.

But there is hope-black folks are leaving Chicago in droves. Many black folks in Chicago are tired of the bad schools, the crime, the drugs and always getting the short end of the stick (from Democrats) and are finally doing something about it-leaving.

Unless black folks stand up and finally begin to demand good schools, their plight isn't going to improve much. School choice would help. Education is power.

The way for black folks to finally get what they need is to withhold their votes from Democrats until things finally improve. What black folks need is a hand-up, not a hand-out.

Yes, the above was written by one of those racist conservatives. Conservatives want the best for everybody. If you don't support a good education for every child, including black children, then I think the use of the word "hate" would be appropriate. There sure is a whole lot of "hate" in the Chicago public school system.

Jim

7:00 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Anyone with an iota of understanding of what is going on in Illinois, Chicago, Cook County and the north suburbs should leave the state if they can. There is no future there for anyone rich, poor, black or white.

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John C Thomson

12:40 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012

Could not have said it better... and I would leave in a heart beat were it not for my kids and grand-kids, now how do I convince them, it doesn't seem like they're paying ?
attention.

Richard Schulte

11:29 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

It's interesting that Ms. Schechter hasn't chimed in to comment about the effects of our (poor) public schools on minorities, particularly since she is a teacher. It's been more than a half century since Brown v. Board of Education and still the education that children of color receive is miserable.

I'd like to hear from Ms. Schechter the reason why the education in minorities, particularly in portions of the country that are controlled by Democrats, is so poor.

I just read a few days ago that public school teachers in Chicago are asking for a 30 percent raise in salary over the next two years, in part to compensate the CPS teachers for longer days. It would seem that if the CPS teachers were really interested in their students that they would gladly put in the extra time (without compensation) to make sure that the students in their charge are successfully educated. "It's for the children", don't you know.

Given the failure rate of students in the CPS, it would seem that the teachers should be having their salaries cut, instead of increased. With the failure rate of students in the CPS, one has to wonder why Ms. Schechter isn't investigating the public education system in Chicago and other large cities controlled by Democrats.

One certainly can say with 100 percent certainty that the Republicans in Chicago have nothing to do with the failure of the CPS to educate Chicago's children-there are no Republicans ("the haters") in Chicago government.

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The Q

3:30 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Bingo.......if you want to see how much damage a democrat can do just look at chicago and illinois for that matter.

Its all yours Dems. High taxes, spend....spend...spend.....and absoluty nothing to show for it.

Debirag

11:51 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Responses in these forums could be ideas for improvement or personal experiences rather than angry rants and character bashing. In a public forum such as this, lets try to make our voices agents for positive change and creative problem solving and use other venues to release our hatred and anger please. The issues are valid and get lost in the side-taking. It's as if some people think the published data threatens them personally. Why it that? Why can't affordable housing and economic improvements be a non partisan effort? Think of what we could accomplish if we just respond to one idea at a time instead of bringing in so many other issues at once? Yes, there is injustice and inequality in the Chicago area and it is for all of us to try to help overcome it somehow, even if only to listen and talk reasonably with each other. Wouldn't that be a start to making a change?

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The Q

3:32 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

All the liberals are the same. Afforable housing but not next to me. Higher taxes but only on the rich. Good schools for eveyone but dont send the poor kids to my school. Healthcare for everyone but i am not paying for it.

Shame on you people.

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Argle Bargle

3:49 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

The boundaries set by taxing bodies is one major malefactor, we all see those who lie and steal just to get educational services. It's an apertheid and is unjust. Dissolve the districts.

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Richard Schulte

5:47 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

"Why can't affordable housing and economic improvements be a non partisan effort?"

I guess it only becomes partisan when you disagree with the solutions being proposed. I've got a positive idea-you agree 100 percent with conservatives and then there is nothing to argue about. We've tried the left's solution, the War on Poverty, for 45 years now. 45 years, that's a long time and guess what, we still have poverty in America. OK, we've tried it your way long enough-now let's try another solution. Obviously, the War on Poverty has been a miserable failure.

The reason that this discussion seems to be getting side-tracked into a discussion of the education problem is that education is the root of the problem. If poor children got a good education, they would have an opportunity to move up the ladder. But simply getting a good education doesn't guarantee results. There will always be poor folks in this world-even the grand communist experiments of the Soviet Union, China, North Korea and Cuba were not able to eliminate poverty. In fact, all of these four examples created more poverty.

In North Korea, the rabble are all equal-equally impoverished to the point of starvation. Of course, the elites are not subject to the rules imposed on the rabble. If you are an elite, you got it made in the shade.

BTW, I took Jim's advice and escaped from East Germany-I mean Illinois. You folks in Illinois won't have me to pull the wagon anymore. Jim's advice is wise.

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Greenwood

12:09 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012

My problem with Gail's thesis is that while she concludes that the North Shore is bad because of the low percentage of African Americans, she has no data concerning the percentage of African Americans that want to live in these communities. Those North Shore residents that now demand vibrant, diverse communities could have moved to Hyde Park, Lakeview, Oak Park, or any number of other communities. Instead, they moved to the North Shore and want to import "diversity" for their convenience? That may not be garden variety racism, but it's racism blended with narcissism - "Bring the different people to me."

Argle Bargle

3:39 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

In the great reckoning these poverty warriors will be called to account. Woe be unto those who pave a road to ruin with fools' gold. Let me aks you something, how shall we treat the guilty who have profiteered on the backs of the poor. the rainbo coalition has enslaved the poor.
"after it rains there's a rainbow
and all of the colors are black'
its not that the color's not there,
its just imagine they lack.
and nothing ever changes.

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Jim

11:37 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

Liberals unfortunately are largely folks who do not believe in the lessons of history and who wish to impress that disbelief on those who disagree by force if necessary. Diversity to them is a goal in itself without regard to the divisions it causes if there is not cultural unity of purpose. Consider the history of Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America etc. There is no more certain way to destroy a country than to have divided culture, language, religion or political values. While diversity for the sake of may satisfy some perverse sense of morality, it can be very destructive if there is no underlying sense of unity of purpose accepted by the entire community.

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Will Stokes

4:38 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Schechter's outfit has a little subgroup to deal with education. Among other things, they welcomed Rev. Meeks' protest at New Trier HS. They also say they are committed to "a good public (government school) education" for every child.

I thought this was an "Interfaith" group. So they aren't interested in advocating free choice in education whereby parents chould choose with a tax voucher a non-governmental school? Funny position for an ostensibly religious "Interfaith" group. Are there no Catholics involved in Schechter's outfit? How about Orthodox Jews who send their kids to Yeshivas?

Fact is, most of the urban planners and other social engineers on Schechter's fat government subsidized payroll have probably not seen the inside of a house of worship in decades. The "Interfaith" appelation was just to keep with Saul Alinsky's recommendation that his radical activists should try to bamboozle the public with phoney religious affiliations. What frauds these leftists are!

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Overbite

2:20 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Hey, no one is opposed to private education, as long as the public isn't billed for it, which would seem to be the definition of "private." The fact that religious institutions are tax exempt is already a generous subsidy, and to increase government support would be to invite government control of a pillar of civil society. The founding fathers understood this, and that is why we do not have an established church in the US -- to protect both religion and state from a mutually compromising entanglement. It is the mark of a wingnut to want it both ways -- i.e., less government "interference," more ideological control.

The Interfaith Housing Center is not a seminary, it is a group dedicated to enforcing the fair housing laws passed almost 50 years ago, which are still routinely flouted. It is allied with several dozen congregations in the area that do not share the last respondent's tribal view of religion. They understand that faith without a hunger for justice is just selfish superstition, akin to whistling gaily past the homeless shelter, knowing that one's own soul is saved. By supporting Interfaith over the last several decades, these congregants are attempting to make their faith real. They know that the organization does good work, and is committed to making this corner of the world a better place. That does not strike me as fraudulent or phony -- which, by the way, is not spelled with an "e," as most public school students and graduates would know.

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Richard Schulte

3:16 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Given the mess (and massive waste) created in government schools, it would seem that our educational system should be privatized. Who says that government has a right to tax people in support of (sub-standard) public schools? Isn't the objective to educate our children at a reasonable cost? If that is indeed the objective, then the money to pay for schooling should follow the child. Parents who want to educate their children outside of gov't schools should not have to pay twice-taxes to the public school systems and then tuition for the private schools. If our gov't schools actually had to compete for support of parents with private schools, then, and only then, will our public schools actually improve.

Improve our educational system and the housing issue being discussed will resolve itself. The problem is not housing discrimination; the problem is our education system. It's a waste of time to attempt to solve the issue of housing discrimination without solving the education problem.

The problem with solving the education problem in the United States is that education discrimination is intentional. The political party who controls gov't schools in our large cities benefits from poorly educating the children in the large cities.

Children with a good education will likely not become reliable Democrat voters. So you have to keep 'em dumb to keept them voting for Democrats. And that's the reason why the Chicago Public Schools are so bad.

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Deadcatbounce

3:54 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

According to Mr. Overbite … The fact that religious schools are tax exempt is already a generous subsidy. Well Mr. Overbite, the fact that these students are educated with private funds, while the parents also pay the local school district is a generous subsidy for the public school district.

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RB

8:00 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012

Richard was proud to point out the Bobby Jidall Louisiana method. They voucher there. Each voucher pulls money from public education and gives it to private education. In Louisana that money funds particularly fundamental Christian Schools that are popping up everywhere. Some teach by DVD, have no libraries and intersperse school topics with biblical quotes. Such as 'and God created this or that'. One school has no windows. Most have no PE class. It's similar to a Taliban education except Christian fundamentalism instead of Muslim. It's not progress. Poor education, a generation not being taught advanced math theory. Jesus provides, not your hardwork or homework. Scary, but Richard thinks its the answer to our problems.

Tom Gross

6:14 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012

I guess the increase in violent crime has nothing to do with added diversity in Skokie, and the roving bands of black teenagers attacking white people

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Richard Schulte

7:55 am on Friday, July 13, 2012

RB (aka code pink guy): "Richard was proud to point out the Bobby Jidall Louisiana method. They voucher there."

Governor Jindal's proposal to allow vouchers for private schools introduces competition into education. Like most everything else in America where government is involved, our public schools are a mess. (Our public schools have become politicized by teachers and teachers unions.)

We know that religious schools have done a better job educating our children than the public schools. Why not allow religous schools to participate in a voucher system?

As an aside, Governor Jindal would make an excellent vice-presidential candidate, but hopefully Governor Romney will not choose him. Louisiana needs Governor Jindal. Governor Jindal will make an excellent president someday.

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RB

8:07 am on Friday, July 13, 2012

Oxymoron, you may have read the link I provided previously. The Governor is providing 'education' vouchers to windowless 'schools' without libraries, and few 'teachers'. They 'teach' by DVD. No advanced math theory. If its not in their Bible, they get no lernin.

Richard Schulte

9:35 am on Friday, July 13, 2012

RB (aka code pink guy): "The Governor is providing 'education' vouchers to windowless 'schools' without libraries, and few 'teachers'. They 'teach' by DVD. No advanced math theory. If its not in their Bible, they get no lernin."

RB, the more you write, the less intelligent I think you are.

Schools in Louisana are licensed by the State. The Louisiana State Fire Marshal's Office requires all classrooms to be provided with windows, except in buildings protected throughout by a (fire) sprinkler system. But, you probably didn't know that.

The internet is an electronic libary at everyone's fingertips. Libraries as we have thought of them for the last hundred years are obsolete.

Few teachers and electronic learning is the future of education. Webinars as a means of instruction are commonplace in both the public and private sectors today.

Our public schools are a "miserable failure". It only makes sense to look for other ways to educate our children. Bravo Governor Jindal.

The left in America has no interest in educating our children, only indoctrinating our children. Public school teachers and teachers' unions are part of the indoctrination of our children. Using technology to educate our children will put teachers out of work and end the indoctrination.

God forbid our children stumble across the American Thinkler or Townhall websites or maybe listen to Rush Limbaugh in their own. Censorship of diverse opinion is what the left is all about.

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Richard Schulte

10:06 am on Friday, July 13, 2012

"The problem with liberals is not that they know so much, but that they know so much that isn't true." Ronald Reagan

RB, did you know Ronald Reagan? It sounds like he certainly knew you.

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RB

10:52 am on Friday, July 13, 2012

Rich (aka oxyMORON). The fire Marshall in you is coming out. The American in me is coming out. Windowless? That's what you focus on? Well, I focus on the impact of taking impressionable children and interspersing Bible verses with everything they attempt to indoctrinate them with. Some of these schools teach by DVD, few 'teachers'. The reporter toured the 'school' and the room was windowless. And they was not teaching any advanced science. This is not a Catholic or other reasonable private education some of these schools are attempting. It's a Taliban type indoctrination of ideology and Jindall passed it. Public education is not going away. Jindall is assuring it gets worse, that's all.
Censorship? Romney won't answer questions about exactly when he left Bain. Was it 2002 like he testified years ago or was it 1999 like he filed on Federal forms and has been campaigning about? Since he can't get his story straight, he's just not talking to anyone but Faux and a few other right leaning reporters. He and his staff have decided the press is the enemy....a self fulfilling prophecy. Nixon felt the same way, until the press hung in there and showed what a liar he was....

Richard Schulte

12:22 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

RB (code pink guy): "Rich (aka oxyMORON). The fire Marshall in you is coming out. The American in me is coming out. Windowless? That's what you focus on? Well, I focus on the impact of taking impressionable children and interspersing Bible verses with everything they attempt to indoctrinate them with. Some of these schools teach by DVD, few 'teachers'. The reporter toured the 'school' and the room was windowless. And they was not teaching any advanced science. This is not a Catholic or other reasonable private education some of these schools are attempting. It's a Taliban type indoctrination of ideology and Jindall passed it. Public education is not going away. Jindall is assuring it gets worse, that's all. Censorship? Romney won't answer questions about exactly when he left Bain. Was it 2002 like he testified years ago or was it 1999 like he filed on Federal forms and has been campaigning about? Since he can't get his story straight, he's just not talking to anyone but Faux and a few other right leaning reporters. He and his staff have decided the press is the enemy....a self fulfilling prophecy. Nixon felt the same way, until the press hung in there and showed what a liar he was...."

Looks like the code pink guy is all over the road. When somebody is all over the road, I'd say he's lost the argument. You really don't know much about the State of Louisiana or the health/safety standards which apply to schools. Best that you just shut your mouth.

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Billy Bob

12:31 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

There seems to be general agreement that economics (high property costs in particular) keep African Americans, with their "on average" lower economic status, out of the north suburbs. Why hasn't anyone commented on the zoning and other municipal actions that keep those economic barriers high? When you have minimum lot sizes, rules against density and other restrictions, housing for lower income fellow Americans will not be built. Thus, municipal action (read, "state action" for my fellow section 1983 enthusiasts) contributes directly to a lack of diversity (racial and economic). Why do these suburbs feel they have the right to build economic moats? Combined with a school funding scheme that provides grossly indadequate resources from school system to school system, is it any wonder why America now lags the rest of the world in socio-economic mobilty? America used to be the land of opportunity. No more. Now it is the land of "I got mine and I will buy as many politicians as it takes to keep it and keep you off it."

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Richard Schulte

5:09 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

Billy Bob: "There seems to be general agreement that economics (high property costs in particular) keep African Americans, with their "on average" lower economic status, out of the north suburbs."

Obviously, the question which should be asked is: why black folks would have "lower economic status"? My answer to that question is the inferior schools which black children attend (and the fact that many black folks consider getting a good education as "acting white).

Why do black children attend inferior schools? My answer to that question is that it's intentional. Democrats make sure that black children attend inferior schools to keep black folks on the Democrat plantation. Well-educated black folks would figure out what Democrats are really doing to them and start voting Republican and that would mean the end of the Democrat Party.

The Democrats supported slavery, started the Klu Klux Klan (KKK), instituted Jim Crow and segregation. "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree." Democrat racism is just more subtle today, but the result is the same.

Richard Schulte

12:39 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

RB (aka code pink guy): "Nixon felt the same way, until the press hung in there and showed what a liar he was...."

"I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky." President BJ Clinton

Yes, let's go back all of the way back to the Nixon Administration (40 years ago) to find an example of a President lying. Why not just go back to last week and point out the lying of the current President?

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RB

2:07 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

Rich, aka oxyMORON, if you had a TV, you could see Willard this afternoon. He is giving a few interviews. FAUX of course, no MSNBC, CNN will have a lightweight interview him. He'll say nothing, but they must be really worried to parade him out in from of some microphones. Imagine, Offshore bank accounts, offshore companies, outsourcing, and not working for Bain when he really was.....he's got some splainin to do! He also has released a grand total of 1 tax return (from 2010). That's pathetic. Maybe he did not pay taxes? That would look bad....but, very Republican, so why worry?

Richard Schulte

5:12 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

RB (code pink guy): Rich, aka oxyMORON, if you had a TV, you could see Willard this afternoon. He is giving a few interviews. FAUX of course, no MSNBC, CNN will have a lightweight interview him. He'll say nothing, but they must be really worried to parade him out in from of some microphones. Imagine, Offshore bank accounts, offshore companies, outsourcing, and not working for Bain when he really was.....he's got some splainin to do! He also has released a grand total of 1 tax return (from 2010). That's pathetic. Maybe he did not pay taxes? That would look bad....but, very Republican, so why worry?"

RB (code pink guy), you've been off topic all day. It looks like you're cracking up under pressure. "It's the economy stupid." All that other stuff you're talking about is just trying to distract us from the Obama economy and Obamacare.

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Richard Schulte

5:26 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

RB, aka code pink guy, since you have wandered off-topic, I will take the opportunity to do the same. The following may be of interest:

"A group called the Voter Participation Center has touted the distribution of some 5 million registration forms in recent weeks, targeting Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as unmarried women, blacks, Latinos and young adults.

But residents and election administrators around the country also have reported a series of bizarre and questionable mailings addressed to animals, dead people, noncitizens and people already registered to vote.

Brenda Charlston wasn't the only person to get documents for her pet: A Virginia man said similar documents arrived for his dead dog, Mozart, while a woman in the state got forms for her cat, Scampers.

"On a serious note, I think it's tampering with our voting system," Charlston said. "They're fishing for votes: That's how I view it." "

Source: http://www.gopusa.com/news/2012/07/13/why-voter-id-is-needed-dogs-and-dead-people-recruited-to-vote/?subscriber=1

Clearly, there is an effort underway by Democrats to undermine the validity of our election system in America.

"The ends justifies the means." I know, it doesn't matter who votes, but rather who counts the votes. Lenin and Stalin ascribed to these methods. Chicago Democrats too.

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