Hey Skokie! What do you think about Super Walmart?

Skokie may see a Super Walmart at Touhy and St. Louis avenues as early as next year. But what does the community think about the move? We rounded up what they had to say and now we want to hear more.

If you haven't heard, Developers and village officials are working toward turning a large, empty piece of land into a 195,000-square-foot shopping center.

If everything comes together, Walmart would be the obvious anchor, but other businesses - such as two banks, a medical building and quick serve restaurants - would surround the retail giant.

We asked our readers: "Are you for the Super Walmart?"

Almost 100 votes were cast and 65 said 'Yes,' while 29 voted 'No.' Readers also chimed in and raised some interesting points. Several Skokians said residents are already driving to nearby Niles to shop at Walmart, why not keep those sales in house? That sort of move would generate jobs and about $1 million in sales tax revenue, according to the village.

Others, however, are concerned the new retail plaza would congest traffic to frustrating levels. The proposed site is located at Touhy and St. Louis Avenues, a short distance from Lincolnwod Mall. Some readers also pointed out that Walmart could have a negative impact on small business owners.

For it or against it, we want to know what you think. Put your thoughts into words by posting a comment below. 

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annie March 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM
I like the idea of a Super Walmart close by however, the parking is all ready limited in that mall and wondering how additional parking/traffic in that area will be addressed?
Tony Lala March 26, 2012 at 01:19 PM
How can anyone not want more stores opening up in Skokie? Have you seen the vacant stores all over town? A Walmart and all of the other stores that will open on that site should be a very welcome site for people living in Skokie. Every time a new business opens in Skokie it should be celebrated. Let's all hope this happens. Things like this can help Skokie stay solid. Tony
Earl Weiss March 26, 2012 at 02:12 PM
The mall has not been built yet. It would be on the now vacant site east of the Wendy's.
Skokie Mike March 26, 2012 at 02:24 PM
You know jewel, best buy, office max and target are all down the street right? This place is going to be right smack on the chicago skokie border and that means skokie people + chicago people will be flooding the intersection. I;m sorry but Im a little worried.
John Jones March 26, 2012 at 04:17 PM
Earl, the Wal-Mart and Target in Niles go into the same tax base that this Wal-Mart will. We are all in the same township!
Earl Weiss March 26, 2012 at 04:38 PM
It isn’t just the Townships that get Real estate tax money. Taxing districts in Skokie that will get real estate tax revenue from this development but not Niles include the Village of Skokie, The local Grammar School, The Skokie Library and Park District. Skokie like many villages also imposes it’s own sales tax which will go to Skokie
david March 26, 2012 at 04:46 PM
Skokie continually makes poor decisions when it comes to increased business practice. Just look at the inflated property taxes in the industrial district. Inviting a Walmart is going to be a disaster. If the current Niles Walmart parking lot is too crowded then plans should be made to fix the parking lot, not put in another Walmart. How many more small businesses have to be run out of town before we say no to big box stores. And NO these are not jobs that pay a living wage.
Earl Weiss March 26, 2012 at 05:02 PM
. "How many more small businesses have to be run out of town before we say no to big box stores" Good question. Grocery stores? Gone for decades, replaced by supermarkets. Hardware stores? Done in by Home Depot, Lowes, Menards. Drug stores. Are there any CVS & Walgreens haven't replaced? Except for the noteable exception of ABT, appliance stores have been don in by BB and now HH Gregg. Small businesses have been done in as much or mre by high real estate taxes then any big box. The ship about Walmart being bad for small independants has long since sailed. None left.
Gordon March 26, 2012 at 05:21 PM
Other than traffic concerns, bringing in more people from out of Skokie will benefit our city. What about fire/police costs associate with this store? Another traffic light at the entrance will be necessary or accidents will increase as people attempt to cross to go East.
GS March 27, 2012 at 09:19 AM
Oy. What a classy opereation.
Pamela Williams March 28, 2012 at 06:00 PM
Walmart is never a good thing for a community. It doesn't help with jobs with liveable wages and benefits and destroys small communities and family owned businesses. They make billions of $$ and never put that back into the community. More often than not, communities suffer by the presence of Walmart. I am very opposed to another Walmart so close to Skokie. BOO!!
Earl Weiss March 28, 2012 at 07:13 PM
Well, Ms. Williams, perhaps good points, but I have to ask: 1. How many jobs are created by the vacant property and why is that better than Walmart jobs? 2. Which family owned businesses in Skokie will be destroyed by the Walmart? 3. Name 3 communities suffering from the presence of Walmart? Haven't heard or seen any complaints. Perhaps you have an internet site with complaints?
david April 04, 2012 at 07:15 PM
Earl, We're not sure why you love Walmart so much. But here's some answers to your questions. 1. The vacant property could have easily been developed as a small business incubator. Walmart jobs are a joke and only serve to create depressed wages and a depressed suburb where everything has to be bought cheap. 2. Walmart claims to be selling hardware and paint. I like the Ace Hardware at Oakton and Lincoln. They've survived the Home Depot, Menards crunch. DO we really need more competition in this category? 3. The main focus on this Walmart was the parking situation at the other location on Touhy. Is that justification for a new Walmart or a sign we should build a parking garage. I'll answer it for you Earl, It's clearly about a cheap land grab in Skokie and gaining more market share near Chicago. I could name 3 communities hurt by Walmart, but that ship has sailed right? Better yet read this: http://prorevnews.blogspot.com/2011/02/study-wal-mart-hurts-local-communities.html
Earl Weiss April 04, 2012 at 07:27 PM
David, You are wrong on so many counts. It is not that I love Walmart. I probably shop there twice a year. I am pro development, and pro business, and believe it or not pro small business. What you have provided are not answers but questions. 1. If it could have easily been developed as a small business incubator, why wasn't it? (Skokie has already failed with the infamous research park North of Downtown Skokie.) If such a development can easily be done, there are 15 acres available due North on Howard, go for it. I wish you only success. It is clear you dislike Walmart and feel vacant property is less depressing and provides higher wages, You and everyone else are free to develop higher paying and more upscale locations. Go for it. Lots of Vacant arounfd waiting for you. 2. Yes, there will be more competition. Stores like Ace or ABT for example survive due to a higher level of service. Walmart will hardly fill that niche. Why do you feel Walmart will hurt them more than the Loews across the street? 3. I would not second guess Walmarts choice. I think that company is a lot more successful than I and probably more than you and I combined. As I said, if you have a better plan, go for it. That parcel on Howard is ripe, and as you say must be cheap.
Earl Weiss April 04, 2012 at 07:33 PM
Can't help but wonder if you read the artiocle you linked to; "1. Wal-Mart store openings kill three local jobs for every two they create. Wal-Mart is the biggest employer in the USA, with 1.4 million ‘associates’. The conclusion is that Wal-Mart alone has killed about 700,000 American jobs." At least quote an article with reliable math. Even if accurate Killing 700K jobs and creating 1.4 Million means 2 were created for every one killed. Basicaly it would have doubled the employement. And that's just conting the "Associates".
John Jones April 05, 2012 at 01:29 AM
Wow, Earl. It isn't the article's math that is unreliable, but yours. The article means that before the Wal-Marts, there were 2.1 million jobs killed to create 1.4 million "Associates." That is a net loss of 700,000 American jobs. But please, continue trolling. You are amusing.
Earl Weiss April 05, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Glad you find it such. I also note that there is no reference to data data to support the claims, just like some of those your raised which I asked you to support. . It is the only point I raised you ever refuted. Stil waiting for you to support your claims like: 1. Walmart has a negative effect on real estate values; 2. An Urban farm is just as lucrative as a Walmart Other than a social activist unsupported claim I would like to see some data, any data. I am willing to view it with an open mind. Can Walmart hurt small local business? Absolutley. We have seen it happen to Hardware stores, Pharmacies, office supply stores, appliance stores, mom & pop groceries years ago. There aren't really any left in the area. You are trying to lock the barn door after the horse is stolen. By the way did you let the Urban Farmer's know of the parcel available on Howard? When can we expect the lucrative operation.
Earl Weiss April 05, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Interesting article and comments from a guy at the Cato institute. http://www.democracynow.org/2005/11/18/a_debate_does_wal_mart_work Oh, maybe he's just a troll.
Joseph Bakes April 13, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Most small businesses go out of business because of stores like Wal-Mart. This will be very bad for the entire township if Wal-Mart builds another store here. Yes it may make a few jobs (and it is incredibly difficult to live off of what Wal-Mart pays it's employees, they even go tell their employees to go leech off of welfare programs for healthcare because they won't give their workers any type of insurance.) and increase sales tax revenue but it will cripple local stores and be the killing blow to Downtown Skokie. This won't increase the number of business in Skokie it will decrease it severely.
Joseph Bakes April 13, 2012 at 02:14 AM
Doesn't mean it is to late to fix this problem.
Joseph Bakes April 13, 2012 at 02:49 AM
Walmart has faced strong criticism in cities across the country and from tax payers. A report, based on 50 studies of Walmart openings, published last year from City University of New York’s Hunter College Center for Community Planning shows that Walmart places a burden the neighborhoods it enters. Reuters, detailing the findings of the report, finds that as the biggest U.S. employer, employing over 1.4 million people in the United States comprising 1% of the countries working population, Walmart actually kills jobs rather than creates them. This is an unaltered quote from IVN. Furthermore, the study concluded that in areas with a Walmart, wages are driven down, local retailers are pushed out of business, and the tax payer is forced to cover the slack left by Walmart’s lack of health and other benefits denied its part time employees who have to turn to Medicaid and other public programs. Another quote from IVN. The Problem I see here is Skokie is looking at this tax Revenue increase and they have gotten tunnel vision. We need to give them other options that don't have Walmart involved.
Earl Weiss April 13, 2012 at 11:52 AM
"We need to give them other options that don't have Walmart involved." Well, there is another huge vacant Parcel on Howard, and plenty of vacant sitting and waiting for all those options to happen. The part time non health benefit rhetoric applies to most retail business. See above item from the Cato institute. If people hate Walmart for reasons where it differs from other retail like being a non union shop, that criticism has at least som foundation in reality. I guess none of those critics drive Toyotas?
Earl Weiss April 13, 2012 at 11:58 AM
"Most small businesses go out of business because of stores like Wal-Mart. This will be very bad for the entire township if Wal-Mart builds another store here." Sorry, for this area that ship sailed long ago. There is no doubt that when a Wlamart opened in some areas, some small businesses closed. How many would have closed anyway? Who knows. Tell me exactly which small local businesses will it hurt? Mom and pop: groceries, Hardware, Office Supply, Pharmacy.......?
Joseph Bakes April 13, 2012 at 01:34 PM
It isn't about just sitting and waiting for these business options to come to us. We have to go out and get these options and get involved with our local politics and tell them what we need and want in this township. Being a non-union store is only one problem with Walmart and that is one in a list of hundreds, but the health benefits are a bigger problem; they could hire more people full time and give them health benefits and still be in the top ten biggest richest companies in america. But going back to what you quoted me on. We can't just say no Walmart, we have to give the village the evidence of why and how Walmart will hurt the community and then offer them something that will get about the same amount of tax revenue for us and not involve a Big Box Mart. Then you go onto the problem of people do not know how to go and find these other options, or they just do not care because they do not see how this will affect them in any way outside of the immediate effects witch they see as not so bad.
Earl Weiss April 13, 2012 at 02:24 PM
"Joseph Bakes 8:34 am on Friday, April 13, 2012 1. It isn't about just sitting and waiting for these business options to come to us. We have to go out and get these options>>>>> , 2. but the health benefits are a bigger problem; >>>>>>>>>>>>>. Well Joe perhaps you are right, so: 1. Go for it. Point out the opportunities. Bring in all these businesses that are better than Walmart. The ball is in your court. 2.I understand your point. It applies to all businesses in Walmarts retail sector according to the report by the Cato institute and the Wharton school. Do you feel this way about the entire sector? If this is so easy to do and still be rich, then I would think you should do it without delay. I think a fundamental issue is why do businesses "have to" offer health care coverage at all? It's great when they do. Compensates the employee with non taxable income. But, why should they have to?
LWres April 14, 2012 at 01:38 AM
Here is some food for thought, Earl: actual studies! Bring on the Wal-Mart and the hate groups, apparently!! http://www.livescience.com/19660-big-box-hate-groups.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20Livesciencecom%20%28LiveScience.com%20Science%20Headline%20Feed%29&utm_content=Google%20Reader
Earl Weiss April 14, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Yep, study says there is a statistical correlation, so one must cause the other. Just like the Dutch study that had a correlation between the number of nesting storks and births. Food for thought? See; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship
Aka_Sally April 17, 2012 at 07:37 PM
Will the Niles Walmart on Touhy close after the new one in Skokie is open?
Scott Holtz April 18, 2012 at 01:09 AM
Pretty much a done deal. http://skokie.patch.com/articles/wal-mart-complex-approved-by-trustees
David Zornig December 11, 2012 at 04:11 AM
FYI, Regarding some earlier posts. Just happened to run across this today. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/12/09/walmart-bails-on-obamacare-sticks-taxpayers-with-employee-healthcare-costs/


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