.

Lincolnwood 'Quietly' OKs Firing Range, Gun Shop

Only one person attended Lincolnwood's Planning Commission meeting last week. Officials changed zoning laws so a 30,000-square-foot gun shop and 16-lane-firing range could be closer to schools, parks and a planned bike path.

A 16-lane firing range could be coming to Lincolnwood within a few blocks of several District 74 schools.

The village's Planning Commission recently cleared the way for the 30,000 square foot gun shop and 16-lane firing range. In the past, the village has not allowed such businesses to locate within half-a-mile of any school, park or residence. (See map above by clicking the PDF image)

If built, the gun shop would be in close proximity to three parks; Drake Park, Columbia Park and O'Brien Park. One Lincolnwood business owner has already started a petition to stop the gun shop from coming to town.

"They're quietly doing some major zoning changes to let these guys in," said Lincolnwood business owner Mike Shapiro. "[The new laws] were passed at a planning commission meeting and I was the only one there."

Read more:

The proposed site for the new gun shop would be next door to Shapiro's business, Ravens Wood Studio, in the 6900 block of N. Central Park. Besides the gun shop being within 800 feet of several schools (Rutledge Hall, Todd Hall and Lincoln Hall), Shapiro is concerned about the parking and proximity to Lincolnwood's bike path. In the latter, the bike route runs directly adjacent to the proposed site.

A business the size of the proposed gun shop needs to have at least 74 parking spaces according to Lincolnwood village code, but the planning commission made another exception and changed the requirement to zero. That means parking used by existing business owners such as Shapiro will have to satisfy the parking needs of the gun shop.

"The village is just allowing them an awful lot for this one business to come in," Shapiro said. "The parking will hurt the other businesses. The noise potential could drive me out ... The Village Board instructed the plan commission to make this work. If nobody speaks up I think this will get passed."

The Village Board is set to vote on the measure on July 17. The next Village Board meeting is this Tuesday, June 19 at 7:30 p.m.

Like Skokie Patch on Facebook

kevin snow July 16, 2012 at 03:54 PM
ADD...stray bullets that clearly left holes in HVAC ducts AND chips in the concrete ceiling. I did not take photos of this condition, but ask Mitch and his partner if there are not holes in the HVAC above the range and steel plates in the HP range. Ask if Tehe HP range has a concrete ceiling and if he will be doing the same.
kevin snow July 16, 2012 at 04:08 PM
Eral, BTW thanks for being straight on all of this. I do have some access to standards, here are a few: National Institute of Building Sciences: Protective Construction: Materials—typically steel, plywood, and concrete—used for sidewalls, baffles, overhead containment, bullet traps, and other areas where a bullet could impact must ensure that the bullet is deflected downrange and not towards the firing line
Earl Weiss July 16, 2012 at 04:14 PM
1. MAybe if there is enough feedback they will apply the amusement tax. It's really a pass thru anyway. If the price is competitive people will still pay it. 2. I am not a ballistics or design expert. I don't recall what type of Ceiling Gabby Hartnett's had nor the range in Des Plaines. It would seem there would be a suitable steel alternative. Have not heard of issues with Bullets escaping any indoor range facility, so I can't say if it's an issue or not. Having bullets pierce a ceiling would not be benefuical for the property owner so I would expect there is an incentive to have a design that won't allow this.
kevin snow July 16, 2012 at 04:16 PM
sorry, EARL! US Dept of Energy (health safety and security): Range Design Criteria June 2012 "Live-fire ranges should be designed to prevent injury to personnel and to prevent property damage outside the range from misdirected or accidental firing and ricochets. They should also be designed to direct ricochets away from the firing line inside the range." 5 "Floors, Walls, and Ceilings. Indoor range facility floors, walls, and ceilings must be impenetrable" 7e: "Ceiling. Ceiling material should reduce sound, protect lighting devices, reflect light and be impenetrable"
kevin snow July 16, 2012 at 04:33 PM
They said that they are providing the steel plates at an angle, just like in HP. but no comcrete ceiling. Also, the plates in HP do not extend the length of the range. The shore team and the architect told us they would be doing the same, but no concrete or additioanal ceiling as they could not afford it. it would cost to musch to create enought support for the weight of either option from either the walls or the roof. These guys are spending some money here and are clearly stretching their budget. IMO.
kevin snow July 16, 2012 at 06:29 PM
hey Earl, where is this other gun range in Lwood?
Earl Weiss July 16, 2012 at 06:58 PM
Gabby Hartnett's was downstairs of the Bowling Alley on Lincoln East of Craford a ways. It's been closed now for maybe 20 years. (maybe more) Went there in the 1970's and 1980's. Not sure when it opened.
Lincolnwood 2000 July 17, 2012 at 04:43 AM
The distance to the closest park is zero feet not 900 feet. The bike trail park was already approved and received grants. The village is in the design phase. The proposed shore gallery property abuts the approved bike trail.
Lincolnwood 2000 July 17, 2012 at 04:43 AM
If the business generates 70,000 in taxes, that would put it behind Kohl's, Carson's, Loeber, Grossinger, and Lowes. It would put it well behind the movie theatre that was rejected in Lincolnwood and was built at Village Crosssing. I don't have the numbers here, but it is certainly below future revenue at the purple hotel site.
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Thanks Earl.
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 04:50 PM
Rhonda, please see my comments about the proposed construction of this range and concerns about stray bullets.
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 04:57 PM
Please note that in the meeting that the issue of collecting 70k in amusment taxes has not yet been decided, and will not be until after this has been approved. Ask yourself, if the mayor has allowed Mitch to not have: --Any parking at all. (note: in the same building, the previous owner was required by the city to install parking on their property at great expense, as the only way they could do it was to elevate the expansion for parking underneath. This was for a business with 20 employees. --To change the laws to allow the saftey area reduced to 800' from 1/2 mile. If they let this go, what makes you think that the tax wont be forgiven as well??
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 05:01 PM
NEW NEWS!! This just in from the city, We have the agenda packet for tonight, and in it, the projec ted taxes from this business in amusment taxes, IF they apply them, which the mayor has said he does not know if they will, will be between $3,000 and 15,000. NOT 70k like everbody is saying. Please go online and find this yourself. This is a memp from Tim Weinberg village manager on July 5, 2012 sunjetc FIREAMS DEALERS SPECIAL TAX. This is a projection of taxes BY THE CITY based on income projections by Shore Galleries. NOT 70,000!
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 05:02 PM
See my note on projections from the city of Lincolnwood on taxes: $3000 to 15,000.
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 05:02 PM
See my note on projections from the city of Lincolnwood on taxes: $3000 to 15,000.
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 05:04 PM
See my note on projections from the city of Lincolnwood on taxes: $3000 to 15,000.
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 05:06 PM
Shawn: See my note on projections from the city of Lincolnwood on taxes: $3000 to 15,000. NOT 70k. 70k would mean Shore would have to be 14 million dollar net income business. Not likely. current amusement tax rate is between 1 and 5% at the discretion of the city.
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 05:23 PM
NOT 70K..... Here is a link to the exact page, the original on the LW site is prretty buried in the entire doc, but if you want more, go to the LW village site. http://www.flickr.com/photos/82849018@N02/7591492728/in/photostream
Earl Weiss July 17, 2012 at 07:25 PM
Seems $15K is a modest projection. That's 5% on $300K Revenue. $300K / 25= 12000 per year. At 6 days a week that is only 38 people a day for 16 lanes. You would think that with 16 lanes it would be more like triple that. Then of course there will be other sales generating tax. Then there may be more real estate taxes as well. But if increased tax revenue is so important we would not want most bank branches.
Earl Weiss July 17, 2012 at 07:33 PM
"kevin snow . 70k would mean Shore would have to be 14 million dollar net income Either you or I need a new calculator. 5% 0f 1.4 Million - $1,400,000 (not 14 Million) is $70,000.
kevin snow July 17, 2012 at 07:48 PM
Earl,,,,agian, you are right, sometimes! Sorry, the correct number on a calculator that actually shows me commas says that Mitch Shore would need to generate 1.4 million in revenue to create 70k in amusement taxes. That is, though, IF: -the city passes an amusement tax -the city levies the tax at 5%, their highest projection. Regardless, the projection is based on numbers from Shore Galleries.
Diane Hoffer August 22, 2012 at 05:53 PM
I think you are blowing this out of proportion. Have any of you ever been to an indoor gun range? I would guess most of you hate guns and therefore know nothing about these facilities. They are quiet, you can't even hear it from the outside. Plus, gun owners are most responsible with their weapons. I am sure the owners will build the facility to be very safe. Currently living in CA, we have gun ranges everywhere and it hasn't ever been an issue.
Walter Gale November 05, 2012 at 10:07 PM
You peaple do know that only peaple response able PEAPLE will be using this place why don't don't you liberal nut cases move someplace like another country.
Walter Gale November 05, 2012 at 10:20 PM
Lady what doesANY of your uninformed and downright silly objections have to with responsible gun owners anda well run gun store and gun range. Grow up and stop giving us a hard time for YOUR fears!
Elena February 27, 2013 at 02:52 AM
I agree with you. Lincolnwood residents have been on a very deep sleep. District 74 is a good example. It took the citizens finally getting fed-up. I agree that I did not attend the meeting in question. I have been concentrating on getting to know what is actually going on at all levels. I have been the only resident to ever attend a board meeting of the Fire & Police Commission. (Fire Dept?? - other than one secretary, the fire department staff are not employed by the Village). There are 2 openings at the police with 15 finalists, 5 women. When I asked about their meeting, no one seemed to know when the meeting was going to be held or at what time. I urged the Commission to increase the number of female officers particularly having female officers investigate cases involving domestic violence and sexual abuse cases. I went to the meeting today at 5:00 p.m. Other than one member who seemed pleased to see me, the rest were not happy at all to see me. The chairperson, a woman, told me that I had 3 minutes to say whatever and that they were not going to answer any questions as I could see read everything on the website. They basically threw me out of there. . Are you aware that there are two pedophiles living in Lincolnwood? Who are they? I was told by one of the investigators. Are you aware that info is posted in the Village? When I asked, I was told that they could mail me info. Why should we be fishing for info while paying taxes?
Elena February 27, 2013 at 02:56 AM
Will you complain when it is next to your home with bullets flying as you mention?
Elena February 27, 2013 at 02:57 AM
Skokie Mike, I agree with you. Let's think on how we can make money and forget about the residents or the quality of life for the residents.
Elena February 27, 2013 at 03:23 AM
Unreal to read your comment Z. How about if you take a few minutes to read the Supreme Court decision with Justice Sotomayor's statement. Read Bongani Calhoun. It is amazing that anyone would make such a comment on 2013. Let's see, the CT school massacre was committed by a caucasian male from a very wealthy income. He had the $. What about the one at the theater in CO? He certainly could afford to buy an arsenal. Thus, so long as it is not a strip club with alcohol and debauchery, or a casino with cheap liquor and I guess people who can't afford to live in Lincolnwood, it would be okay with you? Wow!
Elena February 27, 2013 at 03:36 AM
I agree to some degree. If you look at the candidates running trying to replace Mayor Turry, they go from one post to another. Moy is running again for Mayor and if he wins, we will see his picture everywhere again. Nice, what about services? Turry is very sensitive to the needs of Lincolnwood. The only way to bring change is to get involved and begin to question who is appointed to the various boards/ commissions and who is recommending them and what is going on at each of the boards and at each of the departments. Just try asking questions. My experience is that Lincolnwood staff is used to saying whatever and residents take it quietly. Are you then surprised with what is happening?
Elena February 27, 2013 at 04:37 AM
Walter, you sound like a great American - open minded, sensitive and inclusive. I'm impressed. It is the liberal nut cases that you refer to who are trying to live in a safe society. I find your comments offensive and abusive of people that I assume you do not know. I do not know any of the people who have expressed their opinion for and against. I am not liberal or conservative, but practical and realistic and NO, I will not move to another country. In my opinion, we have way too many guns and violence in this country. I do not want a gun range next door to my home and I know that it would be those wealthy individuals who like to have an arsenal in their homes. However, you could move next door to one if you so choose.

Boards

More »
Got a question? Something on your mind? Talk to your community, directly.
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors.What's on your mind?What's on your mind?Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell somethingPost something
See more »